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Featured Christians, Music, and the Occult: What Should We Believe and Practice?

Discussion in 'Music Ministry' started by Scripture More Accurately, Oct 28, 2022.

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  1. AustinC

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    Provide the legal prohibitions God wrote down that apply to the Christian. Show me the exact, specific prohibition God has given me. I do not want to transgress against God's law so provide the exact law that is being broken.
     
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    Eph. 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
     
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    But you still have not provided any examples of Christians having fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness in the music they use to worship.

    Instead you have sinned against God by disobeying His command not to judge the servants of Christ.

    Would your disobedience constitute having fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness?
     
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    Is legalism the unfruitful works of darkness? Should I not reprove a legalistic brother who is providing no fruit of the Spirit?
     
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    You appear to be either pretending not to understand what I am saying or choosing to ignore what you know I am saying.

    Rock music is music of the occult. Any Christian who uses rock music to accompany singing in corporate worship is having fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness.

    You apparently hold that all kinds of instrumental music that are used to accompany singing in corporate worship are themselves either amoral, neutral, or good. If so, you have to prove that is true. You do not get to beg the question.

    God commands us to judge righteous judgment. Christians who claim that God accepts the use of all kinds of instrumental music to accompany singing in corporate worship must prove that is true.
     
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    The Bible never speaks of "legalism." You have attached an unbiblical meaning to a word that the Bible does not use. You have to prove that what you assert is "legalism" is actually something that is an unfruitful work of darkness.
     
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    Well then, does Judaizer fit better? The term "legalist" refers to anyone who is seeking justification by works and by keeping the law. You are calling for righteousness by virtue of following the laws that you have created. You cannot provide one actual law that any of us are breaking so you pick a general verse and accuse people while never accusing yourself. That tactic is no different than that of the Judaizers whom Paul addresses in the letter to the Galatians.
    *Galatians 3:1-29*
    O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”? Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith. To give a human example, brothers:even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise. Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one. Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.
     
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    No, "Judaizer" does not work because it is equally not a biblical term.

    Moreover, it is utter nonsense for you to say that I am "calling for righteousness by virtue of following the laws that" I "have created." Ephesians 5:11 is inspired divine revelation that demands categorical rejection of all the unfruitful works of darkness. Obeying this divine mandate is absolutely essential for every Christian.

    You and others are not honoring God by downplaying its importance in a way that in effect virtually sets it aside as basically a meaningless command because it is a general verse.
     
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    THIS thread is closed

    AND please DO NOT add a "Winner" to this post
    Closing a thread is not worthy of a "Winner"
    all it does is cheapen the meaning for those who actually deserve it.
     
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