1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Church sans Tribulation

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by NetChaplain, Sep 7, 2018.

  1. NetChaplain

    NetChaplain Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2013
    Messages:
    1,190
    Likes Received:
    101
    Faith:
    Baptist
    For those in Christ, there hasn’t been and will never be a general tribulation such as will involve the world (majority of society). This sense is in reference to the eschatological tribulation which contains “things which must shortly come to pass” (Rev 1:1). These “things” are not difficulties which believers endure that derive from the oppositions of men, but from the judgment from God, which answers to why children of God (e.g. those in Christ, which excludes any in the OT) are never seen in Scripture to encounter judgment of any kind—they being ever absent of it in the Lord Jesus (Rom 8:1).
    NC




    Church sans Tribulation


    Not only is the Church a product of this specific age with no relation whatsoever to any other age (after the OT and prior to Rev 20:4), but each believer is perfectly accepted now and forever before God on the ground of his position in Christ, and, being saved out of this cosmos world, he is no more of this world than Christ is of this world (John 15:18, 19; 17:14, 16).

    The coming tribulation is the judgment of this world. Israel has her part in it since, being not yet saved (Ro 11:26), she is of the world (cf. Mat 13:44). The believer, being what he is in Christ, has no more a rightful place in this world’s judgments than Christ Himself or even any unfallen angel. Back of the theories that the Church will enter or pass through the tribulation is the Arminian heresy that the believer contributes something to his own acceptance before God, and, having failed to some extent in this responsibility, he will be purged and purified by the suffering which the tribulation affords.

    There is a line of truth which concerns the believer’s personal faithfulness; but this is consummated before Christ at His judgment seat in heaven. As for any condemnation, or other judgment, the Christian is wholly delivered forever on the most righteous ground that a Substitute bore the condemnation and judgment and has provided a perfect standing before God. It is established by Scripture that the believer is delivered from all condemning judgments (John 3:18; 5:24; Rom 5:1; 8:1, 33, 34; 1 Cor 11:31, 32).

    In general, those who contend that the Church will experience the tribulation assert that all believers—spiritual and unspiritual, will enter that period of suffering, though there are those believing in a partial rapture who assert that the Church will be divided and the spiritual element, which always includes those who advance this notion, will go directly to heaven, while the unspiritual will suffer for their sins in the tribulation.

    This constitutes a Protestant purgatory. The answer to all such conceptions is the recognition of the truth that, when members of this sinful race go to heaven, it is not on the ground of their own merit, but only through the merit of Christ. It is to be remembered that each believer is already perfectly justified forever (Rom 5:1; 8:30, 33, 34; Heb 10:14), and this wholly within the range of divine justice (Rom 3:26). Thus the contention that the Church will enter or pass through the tribulation becomes and insult to, and unbelief towards (though ignorantly—NC) the measureless grace of God in His Beloved Son.

    Those who entertain the idea that the Church experiences the great tribulation must reckon with the fact that of upwards of seventy-five generations (almost 2000 years) who comprise that company, all but the present generation have entered Glory without the supposed benefits of that purging experience. Why, then, should the last generation suffer that from which the vast host have been spared?

    On this point a specious argument has been advanced, namely, that as the Church has suffered martyrdom in certain periods of her history she may be expected to suffer thus again at the end of her age; but back of this claim is the failure to recognize that past sufferings were due to the attack of wicked men upon the Church, while the great tribulation is God’s judgment upon wicked men. Wholly justified believers have no place among evil men who are destined to eternal doom.

    - L S Chafer



    Excerpt from MJS devotional for September 7:

    “We are to draw nigh in faith where we already are in position.” - MJS

    "Instead of the priest coming out to bless, as in Judaism, we are to go in for blessing. There are no barriers now. The Father has removed every hindrance and now it is for me to go in and abide. The teachers of Christendom have practically stitched up the veil which He rent. The rent veil in the Gospels is the Father’s coming out, but the rent veil in Hebrews is the believer’s going in." -J.B.S.
    None But The Hungry Heart
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
  2. tyndale1946

    tyndale1946 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2001
    Messages:
    11,017
    Likes Received:
    2,408
    Faith:
    Baptist
    AMEN!... There will be no tribulation for those who are in Christ Jesus but I never thought of it as Protestant Purgatory:eek:... I'll have to remember that... Excellent article... Brother Glen:)
     
    #2 tyndale1946, Sep 7, 2018
    Last edited: Sep 7, 2018
    • Agree Agree x 1
  3. NetChaplain

    NetChaplain Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2013
    Messages:
    1,190
    Likes Received:
    101
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Thanks for the reply and compliment Brother! Of course the idea of Purgatory came from the Roman Catholic belief that there's an after-life purification, which is based on the practice of praying for the dead, which is mentioned in 2 Maccabees 12:42-44. This is merely reminiscent of the Law in the form of legalism. The Old Covenant was based on works which were required for forgiveness by believers in God who were among the Jews. But in this dispensation of Grace we know that the requirement is faith in Christ's works, and desiring God's will comes by Him "working" this "in you" (Phil 2:13).
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  4. Martin Marprelate

    Martin Marprelate Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2010
    Messages:
    8,817
    Likes Received:
    2,106
    Faith:
    Baptist
  5. NetChaplain

    NetChaplain Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2013
    Messages:
    1,190
    Likes Received:
    101
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Hi MM, and thanks for the reply. The "tribulation" referred to in this article is the one that comes on the whole world in the end times. The passages you indicate are all related to personal tribulations, i.e. trials and difficulties each believer endures via "taking up our cross" (Mat 16:24).

    Blessings!
     
Loading...