Civil Unions of Three

[Benjamin]

The lines on moality just keeps being pushed further and further while people buy into and use such fallicious reasonings which enable it to do so. :BangHead:

 

[menageriekeeper]

The lines on moality just keeps being pushed further and further while people buy into and use such fallicious reasonings which enable it to do so. :BangHead:

::Hands Benjamin an ice bag::

As if morals do not exist and are not imposed in a civil society!

Sorry, but that is such a lame argument. Would you impose your moral values on another if it 35 year old trying to marry a 14 year old???

Ah, yes we do. But when a Muslim imposes his morals on his "westernized" daughter and tries to force her into accepting his moral values what do we call it? Abuse at best and murder at worst. Why? Because as a political entity called the US we have decided that for our society those "morals" are inappropriate. Do you really want the morals of a Muslim to be enforced on you? Then perhaps there is room outside each religion where the moral of each coincide and the major issues the become the norm for all, while those things that can't be agreed upon become special cases reserved unto each religious/cultural group.

In one of my classes a woman used the same reasoning, she said "I believe abortion is taking of a life but I don't believe I should impose my beliefs on others." I asked, "If you won't stand up against what you consider murder on those grounds, then would it not be okay for a mother to chop up her 3 year old with an axe?"

That reasoning about forcing what *you* believe on others is a baseless excuse that denies standing up for ones morals (its all about priorities and where you draw the line, nothing more) for love of not offending the ideas of the world(ly)...

You are exactly right. It is all about where the collective cultural groups of the US decides to draw the line. The line is not going to be straight along Christian moral lines. It's going to be even less straight for the Muslim. It's going to be illogical at times even. It is going to offend one group while pleasing another.

We Christians would often like to say our way is the right way and if the whole country would just follow our example we would be the greatest nation on the whole earth and God's blessings would shower all around us.......and then we find out that the core of the apple is rotten and we end up with men like Jack Schapp who told others how to live while failing to live it himself.

The point of being a Christian is not to enforce our views and our morality politically on the world. It is to WIN them, persuade them and show them by our own conduct, our speech and, most of all, by the love we are supposed to show one another (for that is how God says the world will be able to tell Christian from not). We've lost sight of preaching Christ crucified and God's grace in favor of judgmental attitudes and arrogant insistance that our morals are the only ones that counts.

Some call what I've described "upholding the Christian values America was built on". But you and I know a) not all those values were exactly Christian and b) the very early church, before Constantine, did NOT seek to FORCE Christianity on anyone, perferring instead to let their faith shine through their actions. There is a difference between religious moral convictions and those things that a society believes are great enough to outlaw. No reason to pretend the two are anywhere near the same thing.

 

[Benjamin]

MK, you vote according to your moral conscience and values and this is guided by either your Christian principles or you compromise on your vote and choose those values which the world tells you that you should follow. It's as simple as that. If you have any reservations about which side to take the scripture gives clear instruction on where you should should be standing and voting on these matters:

And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
(Col 3:17)

And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
(Rom 12:2)

Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them. For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
(Eph 5:6-11)