Conspiracy Fact: Every Major Terror Plot In U.S. Was Contrived

Notice how far they stay away from "the evidence"? They accuse us of not having any evidence yet how would they know this? They refuse to look at it and if they do it's only to scoff.

Matt is trying to say my opinion is based on one paper. When in fact it's based on years of observation and too many such papers, articles and documents to link to in one thread.

Yet when asked to look at this mountain of evidence (as I have asked countless times in the past) he like our good friend Carpro simple refuse in order to keep spouting the same old tired cliches and insults.

Carpro evidently believes in the credibility of his own propaganda so much so that he refuses to post a link so others can see where he gets it from. Why?

I suppose it's fear of being found out. Is that it Carpro? Are you afraid to show us you still get your information from discredited sources like the Pentagon's "message force multipliers"? :laugh:

At any rate I'm sure the readers of this thread have noticed that our detractors have only one argument. "You're crazy". That's it! No depth of thought. No real consideration of all the available facts and evidence. Just repeating what the "authorities" say and the corporate media endlessly loops.

In other words, they have no argument aside from insults and cliches. I reckon they must really believe in keeping it simple. :applause:


Tuesday May 08, 2007

NEW YORK -- Six men from New Jersey have been charged in an alleged terror plot against soldiers at Fort Dix, according to law enforcement sources.

Investigators said the men planned to use automatic rifles to enter Fort Dix and kill as many soldiers as they could at the New Jersey military base. Fort Dix was just one of several military and security locations allegedly scouted by this group, authorities said.
The Dukas, believed to be Islamic radicals, are in the United States illegally, while Shnewer is a U.S. citizen born in Jordan, according to the Justice Department.

The U.S. Attorney's office has told NewsChannel 4 that one of the suspects was born in Turkey and four in the former Yugoslavia. Investigators said most of the suspects have spent several years in the United States.

White House spokesman Tony Snow said Tuesday there is "no direct evidence" that the men have ties to international terrorism.

SOURCE

The FBI informant paid to infil trate a band of suspected terrorists in South Jersey said yesterday that he offered to organize their attack on U.S. soldiers, but only because he wanted to build trust and find out more about the group.

"If you appoint me as emir (leader), I should be able to tell you which plan can be done, what can be expected, who should be present and what are the possibilities," the informant, Mahmoud Omar, told defendant Mohamad Shnewer in a conversation after the two men drove to Fort Dix.

"I am going to be the brain, okay," he added later. "Until now, I don't know about anyone involved in this subject ... except you and I."
Shnewer's attorney, Rocco Cip parone, highlighted the exchanges as he grilled Omar for a third day, trying to show that the only terrorist conspiracy was one planted and nurtured by the informant SOURCE

The "terrorists" were convicted. The "informant"?

By year's end, Omar will have received nearly $240,000 for his help - $185,000 in payments plus reimbursement for $25,000 in expenses and nearly $29,000 in rent.

Weekly payments of $1,500 began in August 2006, the month Omar went with one of the defendants, Mohamad Shnewer, to check out Fort Dix.

Anticipating defense attacks on Omar's credibility, a prosecutor asked Stermel about Omar's missteps.

Among them: He tested positive for marijuana once while on probation; he admitted selling a Social Security number and was caught in a bank-fraud case for which he has not been prosecuted. SOURCE

Where do I sign up to a paid informant???

 

At least I gave you the option to look. Got links yet?

 

It all seems to be going in one direction doesn't it?

Since the change of the political party in charge has not made a difference, who’s really in charge? If the particular party in power makes little difference, whose policy is it that permits expanded government programs, increased spending, huge deficits, nation building and the pervasive invasion of our privacy, with fewer Fourth Amendment protections than ever before?

Someone is responsible, and it’s important that those of us who love liberty, and resent big-brother government, identify the philosophic supporters who have the most to say about the direction our country is going. If they’re wrong—and I believe they are—we need to show it, alert the American people, and offer a more positive approach to government.

However, this depends on whether the American people desire to live in a free society and reject the dangerous notion that we need a strong central government to take care of us from the cradle to the grave.

Do the American people really believe it’s the government’s responsibility to make us morally better and economically equal?

Do we have a responsibility to police the world, while imposing our vision of good government on everyone else in the world with some form of utopian nation building?

If not, and the contemporary enemies of liberty are exposed and rejected, then it behooves us to present an alternative philosophy that is morally superior and economically sound and provides a guide to world affairs to enhance peace and commerce. Ron Paul

Peace and commerce or warfare and monopoly?

 

Show us how these juries came to their conclusions. Post some links. At least try and prove your point. Any fool can hurl an insult we've proven that enough over several years of butting heads. I'll concide "every" is probably not the case but their are a good many to look at now isn't there?

But what's the percentage if "every" is not the case? How many of these "terrorist plotters" that were caught acted without the aid of a richly rewarded "paid informant" leading the way, coming up with the plan and even supplying the (fake?) hardware and what not to do the deed?

Maybe you'd get more attention (and repsect) if you actually acted in the same manner you demand from others.

I can never count more than a handful of posters ever gaffawing on a regular basis and it's usually the same culprits doing it. Some come and some go of course but in a forum this size a handful is a pretty miserable example of "majority" as you seem to be implying. From the last poll I did on the subject of the NWO it was about 60/40.

Maybe our friend Matt could make up a poll to his liking and see if the numbers have changed or maybe the two of you could collaberate on one. If things are as you imply and "the majority" is gaffawing at the idea of a conspiracy for a one world order then it shouldn't be a problem.

 

Yes and there are alot of documented cases of FBI misconduct. As there are inumerable cases of documented government misconduct and abuse of power.

Government is force it's not a group of red white and blue saints looking after our well being.

In fact.

There is enough documented cases of government misconduct, abuse of power, drug dealing, gun running and generally using the office to gain wealth and power at the people's expense that one could conclude that our founding fathers had it right along.

And 200+ years on our government is out of control and almost totally corupt.

The idea that because a few have been accused falsely and without basis the rest of the system is therefore okay and not to be held accountable or questioned is weak at best.

 

Synagogue Bomb Suspects: The Feds Put Us Up to It!

Defense attorneys say an alleged plot to bomb New York synagogues was hatched and directed by a federal informant.

Lawyers for four men from Newburgh have filed a motion to dismiss the terror indictment against them.

They said the informant badgered the defendants until they got involved in the plot.

They said the informant chose the targets, supplied fake bombs for the synagogues and a fake missile to shoot down planes. The motion said he also offered to pay the defendants, who attorneys alleged weren't inclined toward any crime until the informant began recruiting them.

<snip>

In a separate motion, defense attorneys demanded more information on inducements that the informant may have offered the defendants.

The dismissal motion identified the government's agent as Shaheed Hussain, a "professional informant" for the FBI. The defense claimed he was directed to visit suburban mosques, find members with anti-American leanings and recruit them to join a fake terror plot supposedly funded by a Pakistan-based group.

He suggested there could be as much as $250,000 available and the government provided him with a BMW, a Hummer and other cars to make him appear well-funded, the defense filings said.

The defense alleged that Hussain tried to incite the defendants by blaming Jews for the world's evil and telling them that attacks against non-Muslims were endorsed by Islam.

Nevertheless, they said, he failed to motivate the defendants to any action on their own. Months went by between meetings, and the filings quote Cromitie as saying, "I'm not gonna hurt anybody" and "The plane thing ... is out of the question."

Hussain suggested the targets, paid for the defendants' groceries, bought a gun, provided the fake bombs and missile, assembled the explosive devices and acted as chauffeur, the defense said.

SOURCE

I remember this story cauesd quite a stir in the network media for awhile. When it was first discovered.

Don't forget to check out all the photos and video of the arrest. They're linked in the article. Big news!

Wonder how long a paid informant stays employed if he doesn't uncover a terrorist plot?

Yes I do object to using paid informants in this manner. Many of these paid informants turn out to be former or current criminals working for the man to save their own behinds or take home alot of tax dollars or both for discovering secret terrorist plots?

The things is, I don't trust criminals. I don't trust common criminals and I don't trust criminals that dress in fancy suits and drive shiney cars. And I sure don't trust anyone that says "trust me I'm with the government".

I object because chances are if you are a paid informant working for the man to save your own behind or score alot of cash or both you're going to feel pressure to produce a secret terrorist plot.

Produce = reward

What's the alternative for these guys if they don't produce? A Cuban vaction?

And I object to way these "terror raids" are always hyped up and used as examples of how well our "new security system" is working and to scare the good folks into giving up the three things government's love most. More money, more power and more control. There is a mighty suspicious pattern there.

Whether you care to admit it or not.

Is the FBI under pressure to produce results? Think it isn't?

Does the DHS have to have good PR too? Think it don't?

I object to the way these "terror raids" are hatched and then latched onto by these agencies and portrayed as certain victories in the never ending "war on terror" by the corporate media.

Only to be forgotten when their sensational scare value has worn out.

Anyway that's what I object too. Cept for this, I object to the way these stories have been used to turn us against one another.