Constitution Party, Michael Peroutka's Ramadan Greetings

It is? Hmm. Wonder why the government takes MY money every week then?

 

I'm sure there are more ways that Mr. Peroutka hangs up his Christianity in the realm of politics, but it's late and I have to hit the sack. I'll glady pick up again tomorrow.

 

Evidently, Gershom, you want to tell everyone else what to do with their number.

Typical socialist mindset you have there, Gershom.

 

Ken,

There is a distinction between DEMANDING it to be stopped and DEMANDING it to be paid.

Thanks for the comment.

Goodnight.

 

Personally, Gershom, I don't give a slamalamadingdong how much of a socialist you are. That's a personal issue you will have to work through.

But mark me, and mark me well: I will oppose your socialism as much as possible. Unfortunately, it is the nature of government to become more and more socialistic and overbearing. So you have fallen human nature on your side. But that doesn't mean I will go quietly into the night.

Sleep well, Gershom, sleep well.

 

Gershom said:

You know, in some ways, running a government is just like running a household, with the President as the father.

Now, it sure is hypocrisy for a father to want to feed other households when his own is in crisis.

In fact, Paul told Timothy :

"But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel."

 

Really? There must be something wrong with your browser.

 

Lady Eagle, I love the title of the thread. I wonder how many Bushies came in here hoping to find evidence that Peroutka was as bad as Bush.

The only thing that they have come up with so far is that they like Bush because he's a socialist, and dislike Peroutka because he's not.

 

I have read stories about Chrisitan Socialist's like Francis Bellamy, but have never personally met a Christian Socialist. I have always thought that socialism goes against everything the Bible teaches, I guess some Christians disagree with me and believe that socialism is a good thing.

 

You're skirting the issue. You can call me a socialist until your tongue falls off but it won't amount to a hill of beans as far as I'm concerned.

hehe... Great speech. Now can we get back to your assertion that Michael Peroutka "does not check his Christianity at the door when he enters the world of politics?"

As far as Peroutka and the Constitution Party is concerned, they will DEMAND that any and all foreign aid be ceased. Now, try not to throw up a smoke screen here, but answer the question. How does a Christian leader DEMAND that this country cut-off our neighbor who is in need when the Bible clearly teaches that we are to give to the poor and needy without distinction?

The CP platform states: "There is no constitutional basis for foreign aid."

What about a biblical, Christian basis?

 

The Bible teaches that we (the Church) are to give to the poor and needy. The Bible doesn't teach that the government is to steal from some to give to others.

Parents have neglected their God mandated resposibility to train their children, and they allow the government schools to take over.

The Church has neglected it's God mandated responsibility to take care of the poor, and they allow the government to take over.

 

JGrubbs,

The CP and Peroutka will NOT by DEMAND give aid to those who live on foreign soil PERIOD. Do you and the others not see the difference here? It is one thing to demand funding but is it not just as bad to restrict it completely?

Y'all continue to complain that the government is "stealing" from you. Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's. Biblical principle. If we have to pay taxes, give mine to the needy no matter if they live on foreign soil or here in America.

 

The Constitution Party and Peroutka would support you 100% if you wanted to give to the needy on foreign soil. But, will never support unconstitutionally giving billions of tax dollars to people around the world.

You may never understand the concept of taxes being a method of robbing one to give to another, and you may even use proof texting of the Scriptures to try to justify it, but I will never agree with you that forced giving is charity.

 

The federal government is governed by the U.S. constitution. We do not live in a theocracy.

You and I as individuals are to be governed by the Bible.

 

Hey, I would LOVE to see income tax abolished. But it ain't and we gotta pay unless you want a vacation in prison. So while you may perceive giving by the government to the needy in foreign lands as forced giving at our expense, I see it as 'we have to pay taxes, so if you're going to take it, give it to the needy.' Ask those on the receiving end if it's "charity."

 

What about "the world of politics?" You said Peroutka would not "check his Christianity at the door when he enters the world of politics." Are you talking out of both sides?

 

There are six major categories of foreign assistance to which money is allocated from the federal budget. These categories include: bilateral development aid, economic assistance supporting U.S. political and security goals, humanitarian aid, non-emergency food assistance, multilateral economic contributions and military aid.

In FY2001, 23.3% of total foreign aid appropriations ($3.5 billion) went to bilateral development assistance.

Congress appropriated $4.44 billion dollars for this category in FY 2001, which accounted for 29.7% of total foreign assistance went to economic assistance supporting U.S. political and security goals

Humanitarian aid is used as emergency assistance. In FY 2001 Congress appropriated $1.46 billion, representing 4.7% of total foreign aid.

The non-emergency food aid program, also known as the Food for Peace program, provides U.S. agricultural goods to developing countries. This program is administered by the Department of Agriculture and accounts for 2.7% of the foreign aid budget.

In FY 2001 Congress appropriated $1.43 billion (9.5% of total foreign aid) for multilateral assistance.

In FY 2001 Congress appropriated $3.76 billion, 25.1% of the total foreign aid budget, for military assistance to U.S. allies.

The United States provides some form of foreign aid to more than 140 countries. The largest recipients of foreign aid are Israel and Egypt. Israel receives about $2.1 billion per year in military aid, which is used to buy U.S. military equipment, and $600 million per year for economic support. Egypt receives about $1.3 billion in military aid and about $615 million for social programs.

How much of this foreign assistance do you consider charity?

 

It's not about me, brother. It's about the CP's agenda for America to completely cut off, by demand, ALL foreign aid.

 

You said that foreign aid is charity. I say it is not. I posted the actuall facts and figures from FY 2001 on foreign assistance. If you believe foreign aid to be charity, I want to know how much of FY 2001 you think is charity?

It looks to me that a small percentage of it is going to help the poor and needy, the majority of it is being used for political and military spending around the world.

 

That's not up for me to decide. If you're going to use such numbers, let me ask why doesn't the CP offer reform rather than cutting off aid completely?