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Yeshua1 · Jul 30, 2012

preachinjesus said: ↑

Well, I don't get any of the memos around here...must not be on the email list. :laugh:

Anyhoo...I'll defend progressive dispensationalism against any detractor.
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I hold to the Dispy view epoused by the staff of DTS, such as Dr Bock!

HeirofSalvation · Jul 30, 2012

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Actually according to the preeminent theologian of classical dispensationalism, John Walvoord, there are seven resurrections.

John F. Walvoord’s Interpretation of Revelation 20:4-6.

The following view is by John F. Walvoord, a contemporary dispensational theologian, and former president of the Dallas Theological Seminary. The information is excerpted from Major Bible Prophecies, page 376ff.

Emphasis is mine!

The Origin of the First Resurrection

The term “the first resurrection” is found in Revelation 20:5-6: The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.[/b][/color][/i]

Theologians who attempt to put all the resurrections together into one grand resurrection at the end of the present age find in the expression “the first resurrection” sufficient proof that there is no previous resurrection. It does not take much investigation of Scripture, however, to find that this is a false deduction. Several resurrections precede that which is called “the first resurrection.” This becomes evident when the order of the various resurrections is laid out.

The Order of Resurrections

Though there are numerous restorations to life in both the Old and New Testaments, resurrection in the sense of being given a resurrection body that will last forever did not occur until Jesus Christ was raised from the dead. His resurrection is the first resurrection [Matthew 28:1 -7; Mark 16:1-11; Luke 24:1-12; John 20:1-18].

The second resurrection is recorded in Matthew 27:50-53. The Scriptures declare that when the earthquake occurred at the time of Christ’s resurrection, tombs were broken open and bodies of holy people who had died were raised to life. Later, after Christ was raised from the dead, a number of these individuals were seen in Jerusalem. At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks split. The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus’ resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people [vv 51-53]. The sequence of events seems to be that at the time of the earthquake when Christ died the tombs were broken open - that is, unsealed. The resurrection and the appearance of the people who were raised from the tombs, however, did not occur until after Jesus’ resurrection.

The third resurrection will occur in connection with the rapture of the church [1 Thessalonians. 4:13-18; cf. 1 Corinthians 15:50-53]. At the Rapture the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air [1 Thess. 4:16-17]. This resurrection apparently refers to everyone who is baptized into the body of Christ from the Day of Pentecost until the Rapture. Old Testament saints seem to be resurrected at a later time.

The fourth resurrection is prophesied in Revelation 11b. Two witnesses who will be killed for their testimony will be left lying in the streets of Jerusalem and will be raised from the dead on the third day [v. 8]. After the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, Come up here. And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on” [vv, 11-12].

The fifth resurrection is described in Revelation 20:4-6. As the context indicates, this resurrection has to do with the martyred dead of the Great Tribulation. John wrote, And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years [v. 4]. If the resurrection at the Rapture covers all of the saints of the present age since Pentecost, this resurrection relates to the saints who will die in the period between the Rapture and the Second Coming. This will include the martyred dead that are mentioned here specifically. It is amazing how scholars have ignored the plain statement of this passage and tried to make it a general resurrection of all the dead or even make it a reference to the new birth of the believer at the time of his faith in Christ.

The Scriptures here show plainly that this resurrection refers to a particular class of people who will be raised in connection with the Second Coming of Christ.

The sixth resurrection will be that of the Old Testament saints: Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. [Daniel 12:2]. Though the fact that all people who die will be raised is commonly assumed in the Old Testament, there are relatively few references that speak specifically of their resurrection. This is one of the major passages.

A second major prediction of this resurrection is found in Isaiah 26:19: But your dead will live; their bodies will rise. You who dwell in the dust, wake up and shout for joy. Your dew is like the clew of the morning; the earth will give birth to her dead.

A third major reference is found in Ezekiel 37 in connection with the restoration of the children of Israel. Though the figure is largely that of the restoration of the nation of Israel, bodily resurrection is also mentioned in verses 13-14: Then you, my people, will know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I the LORD have spoken, and I have done it, declares the LORD.

According to Daniel 12:1, this resurrection will come at the close of the tribulation period described in Daniel 11:36-45: There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people-everyone whose name is found written in the book--will be delivered. The resurrection is mentioned specifically in the verse that follows. Though the chronological arrangement of this passage in relation to the resurrection of the Tribulation dead is not given in Scripture, it is probable that this will follow the resurrection of the Tribulation dead, and the Old Testament saints, accordingly, will be in the sixth and final resurrection of the righteous.

The last resurrection has to do with the judgment of the Great White Throne as recorded in Revelation 20:11-15. In this resurrection all the wicked dead, who up to this time have been in Hades, will be resurrected and cast into the lake of fire.

The order of these seven resurrections should make plain that the resurrection of Revelation 20:5-6 is not first in the sense of being before all previous resurrections. If that is not the meaning, what does the term “the first resurrection” mean?

The Nature of the First Resurrection

As the context indicates, the resurrection of the Tribulation dead will follow the Tribulation but precede the millennial kingdom. In Revelation 20:7-10 the millennial kingdom follows the resurrection of the Tribulation dead. During this time Satan will be bound [vv. 1-3]. At the end of the thousand years Satan will be let loose and will cause a rebellion against God. Then he will be judged and cast into the lake of burning sulfur [v. 10]. Accordingly, the point of the term “the first resurrection” is that it is first, not in the sense of being number one or prior to all resurrections, but in the sense that it occurs before the final resurrection, the resurrection of the wicked. In other words, the Tribulation dead will be raised before the millennial kingdom and before the resurrection of the wicked at the Great White Throne judgment. To use the term “first resurrection” to refer to the new birth, as amillenarians do in evading the teaching of this passage on the millennial kingdom, or to refer to it as the Rapture, as posttribulationists do, based on the idea that there could not be a resurrection before this, are both inadequate explanations of the expression. The doctrine of resurrection falls into place when one recognizes that that there is a series of resurrections in Scripture, beginning with the resurrection of Christ and ending with the resurrection of the wicked. In this series the resurrection of the martyred dead of the Great Tribulation is resurrection number five and is probably followed by the resurrection of the Old Testament saints. The resurrection of the wicked is the last resurrection.
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:sleep::sleep::sleep:.....AND........No one cares....or is presently supporting this view..............:sleep:

HeirofSalvation · Jul 30, 2012

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So you don't believe in a resurrection at the rapture, then at the 2nd coming, then at the end of the millennial kingdom??? That would be the idea of numerous resurrections.
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No, not remotely...what [edit] told you that? It isn't Scriptural...Scofield was aware of Two, and only two resurrections...they are clearly outlined in the gospel of John...The resurrection of the righteous..and the resurrection of the damned...I think those who don't OWN..said Scofield Bible have no clue what he taught...I am not at all surprised. Why would they??? Windmills...............:sleep::sleep:

I think you anti-dispy crowd are taking too many things too literally....ease up some.. You guys are becoming boorish.

HeirofSalvation · Jul 30, 2012

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Just a couple of notes, I think the Bible speaks of two resurrections, the resurrection to life and the resurrection to judgment. As far as two second comings, some find the rapture as the first resurrection where we meet Jesus in the air, and then later -much debate the time span - Jesus returns and sets His foot down on the mountain. This all may be mistaken, since it is built on tea leaves, but I think Amillennialism suffers from the same speculation laden foundation.
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BINGO!!!!!!!!! :thumbsup:

Greektim · Jul 30, 2012

HeirofSalvation said: ↑

No, not remotely...what [edit] told you that? It isn't Scriptural...Scofield was aware of Two, and only two resurrections...they are clearly outlined in the gospel of John...The resurrection of the righteous..and the resurrection of the damned...I think those who don't OWN..said Scofield Bible have no clue what he taught...I am not at all surprised. Why would they??? Windmills...............:sleep::sleep:

I think you anti-dispy crowd are taking too many things too literally....ease up some.. You guys are becoming boorish.
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So pray tell when do you and Scofield believe the resurrection of the righteous to take place considering you do believe in a rapture, tribulation, and mil kingdom???

Greektim · Jul 30, 2012

HeirofSalvation said: ↑

BINGO!!!!!!!!! :thumbsup:
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BTW... are you referring to the old or new scofield notes?

Greektim · Jul 30, 2012

Greektim said: ↑

So pray tell when do you and Scofield believe the resurrection of the righteous to take place considering you do believe in a rapture, tribulation, and mil kingdom???
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It seems Scofield held a view that not many of the revised Dispos believe. However, his note at 1 Cor. 15:52 does indicate that even in the resurrection of the righteous, the "1" resurrection is actually split up at the rapture and then for the trib martyrs at the end of the trib. One thing he doesn't deal with is what happends to the mortal saints who exit the trib and enter the MK. When do they get resurrection? So this still proves my point. Scofield saw multiple resurrections. His view explains as much.

HeirofSalvation · Jul 30, 2012

Greektim said: ↑

It seems Scofield held a view that not many of the revised Dispos believe. However, his note at 1 Cor. 15:52 does indicate that even in the resurrection of the righteous, the "1" resurrection is actually split up at the rapture and then for the trib martyrs at the end of the trib. One thing he doesn't deal with is what happends to the mortal saints who exit the trib and enter the MK. When do they get resurrection? So this still proves my point. Scofield saw multiple resurrections. His view explains as much.
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You are a non-dispensationalist, claiming to speak for what Cyril thought...I only use the OLD Scofield notes...and refuse to use the NEW ones...and I am aware of the difference... ask him...I couldn't care less what you think he believed or what you think a "dispy" believes...no one is going to defend retarded eschatological notions...and you are demanding that they do. I have used Old Scofield Reference all my life...and I would Never refer to these "Multiple" resurrections as you apparently do...There are two...the resurrection of the righteous, and the ressurection of the damned...they are clearly outlined in the gospel of John...and I read it in my Old Scofield Bible...and always have..say whatever you want "Greek-Tim-or Greek-Bob-or Greek-Harry"...Scofield was not so unintellible in English though...no one will defend the numerous resurrection policy you are demanding we defend...no one...I await any dispy-hater to quote anyone on BB to do thus..... Again..........the non-dispy haters are......becoming, what's the word?? BOOOOORRING!!! :sleeping_2::sleeping_2:

HeirofSalvation · Jul 30, 2012

Greektim said: ↑

BTW... are you referring to the old or new scofield notes?
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OLD sir....OLD...I use none else. Deal with it.

Iconoclast · Jul 30, 2012

OldRegular said: ↑

Actually according to the preeminent theologian of classical dispensationalism, John Walvoord, there are seven resurrections.

John F. Walvoord’s Interpretation of Revelation 20:4-6.

The following view is by John F. Walvoord, a contemporary dispensational theologian, and former president of the Dallas Theological Seminary. The information is excerpted from Major Bible Prophecies, page 376ff.

Emphasis is mine!

The Origin of the First Resurrection

The term “the first resurrection” is found in Revelation 20:5-6: The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.[/b][/color][/i]

Theologians who attempt to put all the resurrections together into one grand resurrection at the end of the present age find in the expression “the first resurrection” sufficient proof that there is no previous resurrection. It does not take much investigation of Scripture, however, to find that this is a false deduction. Several resurrections precede that which is called “the first resurrection.” This becomes evident when the order of the various resurrections is laid out.

The Order of Resurrections

Though there are numerous restorations to life in both the Old and New Testaments, resurrection in the sense of being given a resurrection body that will last forever did not occur until Jesus Christ was raised from the dead. His resurrection is the first resurrection [Matthew 28:1 -7; Mark 16:1-11; Luke 24:1-12; John 20:1-18].

The second resurrection is recorded in Matthew 27:50-53. The Scriptures declare that when the earthquake occurred at the time of Christ’s resurrection, tombs were broken open and bodies of holy people who had died were raised to life. Later, after Christ was raised from the dead, a number of these individuals were seen in Jerusalem. At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks split. The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus’ resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people [vv 51-53]. The sequence of events seems to be that at the time of the earthquake when Christ died the tombs were broken open - that is, unsealed. The resurrection and the appearance of the people who were raised from the tombs, however, did not occur until after Jesus’ resurrection.

The third resurrection will occur in connection with the rapture of the church [1 Thessalonians. 4:13-18; cf. 1 Corinthians 15:50-53]. At the Rapture the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air [1 Thess. 4:16-17]. This resurrection apparently refers to everyone who is baptized into the body of Christ from the Day of Pentecost until the Rapture. Old Testament saints seem to be resurrected at a later time.

The fourth resurrection is prophesied in Revelation 11b. Two witnesses who will be killed for their testimony will be left lying in the streets of Jerusalem and will be raised from the dead on the third day [v. 8]. After the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, Come up here. And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on” [vv, 11-12].

The fifth resurrection is described in Revelation 20:4-6. As the context indicates, this resurrection has to do with the martyred dead of the Great Tribulation. John wrote, And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years [v. 4]. If the resurrection at the Rapture covers all of the saints of the present age since Pentecost, this resurrection relates to the saints who will die in the period between the Rapture and the Second Coming. This will include the martyred dead that are mentioned here specifically. It is amazing how scholars have ignored the plain statement of this passage and tried to make it a general resurrection of all the dead or even make it a reference to the new birth of the believer at the time of his faith in Christ.

The Scriptures here show plainly that this resurrection refers to a particular class of people who will be raised in connection with the Second Coming of Christ.

The sixth resurrection will be that of the Old Testament saints: Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. [Daniel 12:2]. Though the fact that all people who die will be raised is commonly assumed in the Old Testament, there are relatively few references that speak specifically of their resurrection. This is one of the major passages.

A second major prediction of this resurrection is found in Isaiah 26:19: But your dead will live; their bodies will rise. You who dwell in the dust, wake up and shout for joy. Your dew is like the clew of the morning; the earth will give birth to her dead.

A third major reference is found in Ezekiel 37 in connection with the restoration of the children of Israel. Though the figure is largely that of the restoration of the nation of Israel, bodily resurrection is also mentioned in verses 13-14: Then you, my people, will know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I the LORD have spoken, and I have done it, declares the LORD.

According to Daniel 12:1, this resurrection will come at the close of the tribulation period described in Daniel 11:36-45: There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people-everyone whose name is found written in the book--will be delivered. The resurrection is mentioned specifically in the verse that follows. Though the chronological arrangement of this passage in relation to the resurrection of the Tribulation dead is not given in Scripture, it is probable that this will follow the resurrection of the Tribulation dead, and the Old Testament saints, accordingly, will be in the sixth and final resurrection of the righteous.

The last resurrection has to do with the judgment of the Great White Throne as recorded in Revelation 20:11-15. In this resurrection all the wicked dead, who up to this time have been in Hades, will be resurrected and cast into the lake of fire.

The order of these seven resurrections should make plain that the resurrection of Revelation 20:5-6 is not first in the sense of being before all previous resurrections. If that is not the meaning, what does the term “the first resurrection” mean?

The Nature of the First Resurrection

As the context indicates, the resurrection of the Tribulation dead will follow the Tribulation but precede the millennial kingdom. In Revelation 20:7-10 the millennial kingdom follows the resurrection of the Tribulation dead. During this time Satan will be bound [vv. 1-3]. At the end of the thousand years Satan will be let loose and will cause a rebellion against God. Then he will be judged and cast into the lake of burning sulfur [v. 10]. Accordingly, the point of the term “the first resurrection” is that it is first, not in the sense of being number one or prior to all resurrections, but in the sense that it occurs before the final resurrection, the resurrection of the wicked. In other words, the Tribulation dead will be raised before the millennial kingdom and before the resurrection of the wicked at the Great White Throne judgment. To use the term “first resurrection” to refer to the new birth, as amillenarians do in evading the teaching of this passage on the millennial kingdom, or to refer to it as the Rapture, as posttribulationists do, based on the idea that there could not be a resurrection before this, are both inadequate explanations of the expression. The doctrine of resurrection falls into place when one recognizes that that there is a series of resurrections in Scripture, beginning with the resurrection of Christ and ending with the resurrection of the wicked. In this series the resurrection of the martyred dead of the Great Tribulation is resurrection number five and is probably followed by the resurrection of the Old Testament saints. The resurrection of the wicked is the last resurrection.
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Yes.....here it is. Then when anyone zeros in on the target....you just keep moving it so they cannot hit it:wavey::laugh::thumbs::laugh:

Greektim · Jul 30, 2012

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You are a non-dispensationalist, claiming to speak for what Cyril thought...I only use the OLD Scofield notes...and refuse to use the NEW ones...and I am aware of the difference... ask him...I couldn't care less what you think he believed or what you think a "dispy" believes...no one is going to defend retarded eschatological notions...and you are demanding that they do. I have used Old Scofield Reference all my life...and I would Never refer to these "Multiple" resurrections as you apparently do...There are two...the resurrection of the righteous, and the ressurection of the damned...they are clearly outlined in the gospel of John...and I read it in my Old Scofield Bible...and always have..say whatever you want "Greek-Tim-or Greek-Bob-or Greek-Harry"...Scofield was not so unintellible in English though...no one will defend the numerous resurrection policy you are demanding we defend...no one...I await any dispy-hater to quote anyone on BB to do thus..... Again..........the non-dispy haters are......becoming, what's the word?? BOOOOORRING!!! :sleeping_2::sleeping_2:
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Hit a nerve... calm down. No need for such a negative attitude.

And I did point out a reference where Scofield refers to multiple resurrections for the righteous, and noted a deficiency in his view that you failed to address.

This is not to mention that your modern academic dispo will defend multiple resurrections. I know b/c I use to be in that community. I can speak authoritatively on this. I can give you my dispensational credentials if you want them. But that's not the point.

My point is that you didn't address what I brought out about Scofield and instead attacked me. Refute my point about his note in 1 cor 15:52. Address the defieciency in his view (and probably in your view since you believe in the trib and MK).

If you are honest enough... then answer these questions:

1) Do you believe all of the OT and church saints are resurrected at the Rapture?

2) Do you believe that the martyred trib saints are resurrected at the end of the trib like Scofield said?

3) Do you believe the mortal saints who survive the trib will enter the kingdom in order to populate the world and thus be the reason that sin endures despite Satan being bound? If so, when do those saints experience resurrection?

OldRegular · Jul 30, 2012

HeirofSalvation said: ↑

You are a non-dispensationalist, claiming to speak for what Cyril thought
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Cyrus Ingerson Scofield

HeirofSalvation · Jul 30, 2012

Greektim said: ↑

Hit a nerve... calm down. No need for such a negative attitude.
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It wasn't so much a "nerve"...it was that well...no one on BB (at least) even ones who use O.S.R.B. think this way.

And I did point out a reference where Scofield refers to multiple resurrections for the righteous, and noted a deficiency in his view that you failed to address.
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Maybe he did...and I have no intention of arguing said point...he may have been wrong on this...Heck...he was wrong on a lot of things...He was obviously wrong on "Gap-theory" and that non-sense...he is wrong on a number of things...people who use an OSRB...are not mindless slaves to all he thought.

This is not to mention that your modern academic dispo will defend multiple resurrections. I know b/c I use to be in that community. I can speak authoritatively on this. I can give you my dispensational credentials if you want them.
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Maybe you could quote the average BB dispensationalist on this one, in lieu of your own "credentials". This would actually be meaningful..as oppossed to someone who has already claimed to disagree with "dispensationalism"...and subsequently claim to be an "authority" on the topic at the same time...

My point is that you didn't address what I brought out about Scofield and instead attacked me.
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Probably not... I have little or no interest in what a confessed loather of Scofield has to say about Scofield...goes with the territory I guess.

Refute my point about his note in 1 cor 15:52. Address the defieciency in his view
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"Refute" is a mis-used and insulted word....there are "rebuttals" to certain arguments...but the word "refute" is much stronger...anyone who mis-uses the term is hardly worth arguing with...your homeboy Icon fails to distinguish between the two, and it also makes him impossible to debate with.

If you are honest enough... then answer these questions:
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I'll try...although I am hardly the "go-to-guy" for "dispy-ism". I am all but a true hater of all things eschatological...I have little talent for it...It is minimally...my weak point. I have no gift for such things.

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) Do you believe all of the OT and church saints are resurrected at the Rapture?
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No, I do not think any "dispy" does....I don't think Cyril did either.

2) Do you believe that the martyred trib saints are resurrected at the end of the trib like Scofield said?
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Doubt it.....did he really "say" that??? Maybe...maybe not, maybe some non-dispys have majored in "Scofield-hatism"...dunno...maybe he said it that way, maybe he didn't. The word "resurrected" is, of course, the crucial one...did he say that?

3) Do you believe the mortal saints who survive the trib will enter the kingdom in order to populate the world and thus be the reason that sin endures despite Satan being bound? If so, when do those saints experience resurrection?
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This is a weird version of things that no one thinks to my knowledge....I dunno...I also really don't actually care that much, eschatology is not my strong point. I just know that in 30+ years of using an OSRB...I have never believed what most dispy-haters think most dispys believe...Yeah...I use it, and yes, I am generally dispy...but I am no authority on eschatology...I can study the topic for months...and still not "get it"...I have no talent for it....I just don't think that most dispy's are as insane as you might think... maybe they are...just quote their bad ideas...on this board, and then debate them...after you quoted them...that is. I simply do not believe that you will ever successfully quote anyone on BB defending the ideology that you claim encompasses "Dispensationalism"......this is thread 8,676,474.566 on the idea...and no "dispy" defends what you people are claiming that "dispy's" defend...Whatever...again...have fun arguing with yourselves...no dispy really thinks what you people are claiming they think....debate yourself ad nauseum...no one cares.
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HeirofSalvation · Jul 30, 2012

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Cyrus Ingerson Scofield
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Yeah....that guy...I've read him for decades....never got the insane ideas from him that you apparently got....maybe he said 'em, maybe he didn't....just didn't get the insane notions you apparently gleaned from him that you appear to....all I'm sayin.

Iconoclast · Jul 30, 2012

No one hates dispensationalists. They hate the false system like many hate Rc doctrines...but want catholics to be saved.

Even Scofield, John Mac....or others....taught and do teach many good things.
I still have one or two of my scofield bibles at the house.
It is the error that gets opposed, in favor of truth.You do not see the same level of anger directed at historic premills like Ladd, or Spurgeon.
There views were not full of the errors of dispensational teaching that is being spoken of.

OldRegular · Jul 30, 2012

HeirofSalvation said: ↑

Yeah....that guy...I've read him for decades....never got the insane ideas from him that you apparently got....maybe he said 'em, maybe he didn't....just didn't get the insane notions you apparently gleaned from him that you appear to....all I'm sayin.
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HOSS you are foaming at the mouth! Calm down!

God is good, here in the mecca of dispensationalism He guided me away from Scofield.

HeirofSalvation · Jul 30, 2012

Iconoclast said: ↑

No one hates dispensationalists. They hate the false system like many hate Rc doctrines...but want catholics to be saved.

Even Scofield, John Mac....or others....taught and do teach many good things.
I still have one or two of my scofield bibles at the house.
It is the error that gets opposed, in favor of truth.You do not see the same level of anger directed at historic premills like Ladd, or Spurgeon.
There views were not full of the errors of dispensational teaching that is being spoken of.
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This seems to be a reasonable post...but a comparison between the errors of R.C.C. and "dispensatianalism"? Is this warranted?

Iconoclast · Jul 30, 2012

HeirofSalvation said: ↑

This seems to be a reasonable post...but a comparison between the errors of R.C.C. and "dispensatianalism"? Is this warranted?
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An illustration that is easily understood works:thumbs:

Many have moved away from the classic dispensational position,which is good.

Unless rev mac...or thomas want to try and defend it.

No one is asking you to defend this wrong view. if you look back in this thread you will see that OR....was not wrong in what he said.You just do not know of it.
I still have some of my believers chapel tapes,,,saying we only need a scofield bible,and strongs coccordance to find truth.

Look up S.Lewis Johnson tapes.....he was a godly man...5pointer...sort of like John Macarthur.....he always presented the classic view.

HeirofSalvation · Jul 30, 2012

OldRegular said: ↑

HOSS you are foaming at the mouth! Calm down!

God is good, here in the mecca of dispensationalism He guided me away from Scofield.
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I seriously do not "foam at the mouth" in reference to dispensationalism sir......I really don't...I think that you do. I don't like mis-representation is all.....I know two things only...I have read Scofield for years...and apparently...according to you, I therefore believe in something like seven (count them) SEVEN different Resurrections??? No...not really. I seriously could care less OR...about eschatology (generally speaking)....I simply don't "foam at the mouth" at ANY interpretation...I only take marginal umbrage at the idea that any reader of the OSRB MUST (by definition) believe in 7 different ressurections...I studied my OSRB....and I identified two, sir...two.. You are the one who "foams at the mouth".....not I, I could not care less what anyone believes about this topic...Again, I am no expert, and I love to hear anyone's take on the topic.

HeirofSalvation · Jul 30, 2012

OldRegular said: ↑

Cyrus Ingerson Scofield
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Please quote Scofield speaking of 7 different "resurrections" sir...please quote him. Where does he say such?

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