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COVID-19 Vaccine Candidate Shows Promise

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Aaron, Apr 3, 2020.

  1. Aaron

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    COVID-19 Vaccine Candidate Shows Promise

    [The following is not a quote from the article. It is my commentary. -Aaron]

    I think many seeing this post are under the impression that the world has seen nothing like COVID-19 before. The name of the virus that causes COVID-19 is SARS-CoV-2. SARS is an acronym for Severe Accute Respiratory Syndrome, and there was a SARS-CoV-1, the pathogen that caused the SARS mini-pandemic in 2002, which, incidentally, also stemmed from China.

    So it should be no surprise that, contrary to most reporting on the subject, a vaccine could be rapidly developed, because labs have something with which to start, as is mentioned in the article. (That is also how a new Flu vaccine is rapidly developed each year.)

    But I want to call attention to the fact that you have been allowed to believe that this virus is completely new, and that a vaccine was over a year or more away, and to consider the likelihood that if the efforts in the reporting of the established media were to inform and educate you, and not whip you into a frenzy of panic, you would not believe that this was brand new, and you would be relatively assured of the rapid advent of a vaccine. You would already know of SARS and MERS and that 30% of common cold cases are caused by corona viruses.

    I also want to call attention to the lack of coverage of the Flu this season, of which the CDC estimates 24,000 to 60,000 in the U.S. alone have already died. The TV cameras are not focused on them, over 140 confirmed cases of which so far are children, suffocating to death from secondary pneumonia. The Flu is transmitted in the same manner as COVID-19, but you aren't being guilted into house arrest and losing your business, and your job, and into plunging your nation into depression and despotism to save them.
     
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  2. Aaron

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    @Gold Dragon: Bunk. I'm a doctor. Socialism is our only salvation.

    @Benjamin : Millions are dying! Millions are dying! We've never seen this before! Help! Help! Shut everything down! Help! Help! House arrest for everyone. Shoot anyone seen walking the streets! Help! Help!

    @alexander284 : I will pray you become a panicked Socialist.
     
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    And I will pray that Jesus forgives you for your prideful attitude, and that you become a mature follower of Christ, in word and deed.
     
  4. Gold Dragon

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    Aaron, you are correct that the similarity of Covid19 to SARS is something that will help speed up the development of a Covid19 vaccine compared to other vaccines in the past. And it is true because we already have several vaccines undergoing testing as we speak. If you know anything about the history of vaccine development, you will realize that the speed of covid19 vaccine development is lightning fast compared previous vaccines.

    NIH clinical trial of investigational vaccine for COVID-19 begins
    CSIRO begins testing Covid-19 vaccines - CSIRO
    With record-setting speed, vaccinemakers take their first shots at the new coronavirus | Science | AAAS

    But the process that takes a long time is not vaccine development but testing, especially human testing. Because we need to be able to have a testing period long enough to be able to assess both the strength and duration of immunity. And how do we test immunity? We see if they contract the illness we are vaccinating against over a certain period of time. That unfortunately is a step that is really hard to shorten.
     
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    Yes. This is a well known fact and often one of the first things mentioned in FAQs about Covid19. Why do you think people don't know this?

    Yes most people have some immunity to the coronaviruses that cause the common cold because they've had one in the last few years. But nobody on the planet had immunity to Covid19 until November of last year when it started infecting people in Wuhan.
     
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    Soon hundreds of thousands of people will be recovered from this and immune as the disease kills few and easily 80% recover. You can not expect them to just be sitting around not working and be a sane individual. Policy makers must knows that, If they cant figure this out maybe they had too much lead in their water growing up.
     
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    How many lives of people over 60 is your boredom sitting around worth?
     
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    Your problem is you dont believe people can be cured and immune. If there was no immunity, then eventually everyone will die of covid-19. People get better because they develop an immune response, they develop antibodies to the virus, and are no longer infectious or infected. Your philosophy is destruction. You seem to like the way things are.
     
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    When the hospital system is not overwhelmed 99% of cases recover and develop immunity (we are not sure for how long). 80% of cases never need hospital (some with little to no symptoms, others with a really bad case of the flu).

    Again I ask. How many lives of people over 60 is your boredom sitting around worth?
     
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    Your crazy and insane to suggest cured people with antibodies are a RISK to spreading covid-19. Most of the infected hospital medical staff will recover in 14 days and can be right back at their jobs. Same with the general population.
     
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    They are not after they are cured.

    Again I ask. How many lives of people over 60 is your boredom sitting around worth?
     
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    You seem to have logic problem in your thinking there. The cured people can go back to work, what is your problem,
     
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    It seems we have another volunteer to go to your local hospital, help out at the respiratory ward so you can catch covid19 as soon as possible to go back to work and help the economy.

    I would advise against that because while you could have a very mild illness and not even know about getting sick, you could also have more severe flu-like illness. But chances are you will get better and be fine. But before you do, you will likely spread it to 2-3 other people (usually your family or friends), often before you even realize you are sick. And there could be a chance even if you are in the 20-44 age group that you may need hospitalization (around 15-20%). You could be really unlucky and be in the 2-4% of that age group that need ICU. It is unlikely you will die but if your hospital system is overwhelmed because of an exponental growth in the case numbers like what is happening in several US cities right now, your chances of dying go up a lot more.



    Severe Outcomes Among Patients with Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19
     
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    As with so many things, the truth lies somewhere between two extremes.
    If you listen to the med. experts, the "only" solution is isolation until the virus burns itself out. (Hopefully you realize I'm being very simplistic here to make the point!!)
    If you listen to the economists, then "only" getting everybody back to work is the solution!
    If you practice what each preaches, then the results will be EITHER, depending on which group you mimic:
    (1) An eventual suppression of the disease, but nobody has ANY income OR
    (2) A booming economy, but people dying like crazy until everyone is either dead or immune.

    IMHO, the truth is somewhere in between, and the 24/7 coverage of said virus and the respective "scare" tactics from the media are doing squat to help to quash a panic response; and yes, I include FOX!!!!!

    In many stores, (Including Amazon??????) the availability of hand sanitizers, disinfectant wipes & toilet tissue are virtually nil. This is a sure indication of
    P A N I C
    Some poor kid in the future is going to start cleaning out a parent's home & find hundreds of roach infested toilet paper rolls that were a panic buy "way back when"!:Laugh:Laugh

    Folks, this problem will be solved only by God allowing the necessary meds to be found/developed AND a return to Him as the source of all goodness & wisdom.

    Now I realize that the USA is NOT Israel, BUT, I see no reason that He would treat us any more merciful than His chosen, so IMHO, we are right now being given the opportunity to once again TRUST HIM to handle this situation or face the inevitable (IMO) demise of our nation.
    This of course is each individuals personal call!
     
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    Are you associating social distancing with socialism beause it has the word social in it? I never even made that connection until now.

    What is your take on social media - the propaganda tool of the KGB. You must hate social clubs - where only commies congregate. And what about social workers - they may as well have Mao's face tatooed on their shoulder.
     
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    I can’t believe you just said that. Maybe we should have an IQ throw down here, but what’s the sense, libbies would just lie. It’s an integral requirement of the left. Otherwise they could never sell their garbage even to their lackies.
     
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    It's just strange because I have never mentioned anything about socialism or socialized medicine in any of my posts about Covid19. Yet Aaron is saying I'm promoting socialism. The only thing with "social" that I've mentioned is social distancing.
     
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    While the flattening the curve model is the simplistic model, I think the more sophisticated version of it that will more likely mimic realtity involves a cyclical tightening and loosening of physical/social distancing measures (with gradual opening of some businesses) to maintain a lower rate of infectivity in a "Dance" with the virus after an initial short hard "Hammer" to get quick control of infection rates.

    Coronavirus: The Hammer and the Dance

    The same author also wrote this current update for ways to tackle this going forward for the US.

    Coronavirus: Out of Many, One
     
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    I promise you this.......if they came out with a vaccine today, there is NO way I would get it, & I am in the high risk group due to age. I haven’t had even a cold since I can’t remember when, & I’ll take my chances, thank you very much. Was out & about yesterday getting supplies, so I’ll probably be dead by next week anyway, heh.
     
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    Your really being dumb here with your scenario, I am talking about cured people who have antibodies and are not sick or infectious, but you can get past your own ignorance, but I don't think anyone with a brain is buying what your hawking. There EXISTS an ANTIBODY test to prove you are immune to the disease having already had it and been cured.

    I worked 20 years in a hospital and medical lab setting, I used to work as a Medical technologist ASCP accredited, and have a biology undergraduate degree, not that it really means anything, but I am not being dumb here as you are with the things your saying.
     
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