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Criminalizing Everyone

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Revmitchell, Jan 11, 2010.

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  1. windcatcher

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    A sitting President with a majority filling the House and Senate has no excuse for getting what he wants or what he doesn't want done or removed. The O likes the laws set up under the Bush and prior administrations.... and many of the policies .......since they now serve his interest and power while in office. Before he was elected the laws and policies to which you refer, were a convenient point of attacking the whole of the conservative base and an inconvenience for the Republican party. Now that the Zero is in office (zeus is in his temple=capital), he will not request that those be rescinded.... because he loves the power of his office and he loves the stupidity of people who will continue to blame the Republicans for the powers given the executive branch which expose the people to potentials of abuse if not altered.

    Right on, Bro. Curtis...... and he's expanding the war into Pakistan via build up in Afganhistan, and antagonizing Iran with drones. His minions, if not him directly, work to silence the free speech of people who picture him as the joker (Bush was depicted as such also but ignored it), and challenge people who have stickers on their cars "abort Obama", or opens up a WH line for people to report those who oppose his policies (yes, MAYBE, it was shut down.... but the gestopo implication is still there 'to report your neighbor' or who ever offends you or him). And he's appointed people who are more concerned about the damage to diversity than they are that soldiers on a base were killed by a terrorist act by an American Citizen/ muslim- Major, recently promoted, who was also included in Homeland Security Briefs. ...... and has appointed an attorney general who is more concerned about constitutional rights of non-citizen terrorists and less about the constitutional rights of citizens..... well, yet a little time and we'll see more proof.
     
  2. Crabtownboy

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    Totally off the threads topic. [Talk about dishonest, ROFL.] The topic is about using these acts and keeping a man in jail with no information to his spouse only to find out he was suspected because import papers on orchids had not been properly used.

    Stay on topic. Bush passed the laws, the man was arrested while Bush was in office.
     
  3. Bro. Curtis

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    :laugh:

    You are silly. And you live in a world of lies.

    BTW, you must remember the info proving Clinton's administration wrote the laws Bush passed.
     
  4. Crabtownboy

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    I will discuss with you when you stop being shrill and learn to stick to the topic and learn to be rational.
     
  5. rbell

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    OK, if the topic is about jailing a man for orchids...then why did you bring up Bush?

    Seems to me you were the first to derail.

    Of course, since you've been called about Obama's inaction...now you want to "get back on topic." How convenient.
     
  6. Revmitchell

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    I want to see the evidence that Bush passed the laws that allowed this people to be arrested. Otherwise it is just false accusations with no credibility.
     
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    double post
     
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    After a year of presidency by our president.. and having a congress that is in his court.. he is the only one responsible...

    IF he wanted things changed by now he would have....

    Can't blame Bush anymore...

    It's the guy sitting in the White House that can't get things done even when he has a congress on his side!...

    Total incompetence.

    Obama.. just another moocher living in Public Housing!
     
  9. Bro. Curtis

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    So you can post up something that doesn't tell the whole truth, I confront you on it, you tell me I'm off topic, and now want to take the ball & go home ?

    You never had any intention of discussing it in the first place, C.T.Boy. And I'm not the only one calling you out. You make me laugh.
     
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    Because the draconian laws permitting this type of arrest and detention were passed under his watch. This man was arrested and detained during his term in office. To try to switch blame to Obama is extremely dishonest. He was not even a senator in the US Senate at the time this happened.

     
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    You should have left it at that. The truth is, Obama has not ended these laws, and he has expanded several aspects of it. You should admit that. I haven't seen one person deny that this happened under Bush's watch. You are the only dishonest person posting on this thread.
     
  12. tinytim

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    He has been in the office of the President for a about a yr now..

    IF he didn't agree with it.. he could have put it on his agenda to change, and his goons in Congress would have obliged...

    He didn't take long changing abortion laws...

    Obama knows that Bush's stupidity serves Obama well, and may come in useful someday to silence his critics.
     
  13. Revmitchell

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    The fact that it happened under Bush's watch is not evidence that Bush passed the laws that allowed this to happen. When were these laws passed and who was the sitting President that signed them into law? Simply accusing Bush of passing these laws based solely on the fact that he was in office at the time of these arrests is dishonest.
     
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    You really do not remember when the Patriot Act and the Homeland Security Act was passed?



     
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    I agree with you.
     
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    Crabby - you have failed to show that it is the Homeland Security Act that allowed the events described in the OP.

    How do you know that the Homeland Security Act had anything to do with the prosecution?

    You have also not explained why Obama and the dems have not done anything to change the law if it is bad.

    In fact they have renewed and extended provisions of the Homeland Security Act and the Patriot Act. So rather than blaming Bush shouldn't we now blame the current administration that rubber stamped those Acts?
     
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    Actually, thank Nixon. Such draconian measures began with the DEA under the Nixon administration.

    But let's say for a moment that it is all Bush's fault. How many times does it have to happen on Oba-Mao's watch before Oba-Mao has to take responsibility for allowing it to happen?
     
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    As soon as the assertion came up that this was alll Bush's fault I contacted the author of the op and asked three questions:

    1. Are the laws that allowed these events to take place a result of the creation of Homeland security?

    2. Are the laws that allowed these events to take place a result of the Patriot act?

    3. Are the laws that allowed these events to take place a result of laws passed under the Bush admin?

    The following is the email response, please read all of it carefully:

     
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  19. just-want-peace

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    WHOA!!!!

    What say you now, CT????:smilewinkgrin::BangHead::tonofbricks:
     
  20. rbell

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    CTB is being intellectually dishonest.

    I didn't like many things Bush did...but Obama's administration is the one in charge now, and their behavior is not dictated by the former President's.

    However...since that would mean CTB would be forced to criticize Obama (which he won't do), then the strategy is to mis-direct, cloud, and ignore the issues.
     
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