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Death before Adam

Discussion in 'Creation vs. Evolution' started by Deacon, May 30, 2016.

  1. Deacon

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    Did God Intend Death? [LINK]
    by Bethany Sollereder (May 2016)


    “God never intended death! Death in all its forms is a contradiction of God’s creation, and a result of sin!”

    The preacher’s voice boomed out from the pulpit. He had been building up to this point for a good half hour, and I was ready to join his rhetorical heights with enthusiasm. But, as chance would have it, I had an itch on my arm. When I scratched it, I noticed some skin came away under my nail. Looking at that little bit of sloughed off skin, the spell was broken. This was death too. Was my skin cells’ death also a result of sin?

    The preacher was talking about human death, of course. But every human’s life is dependent on the death of others. When I eat, I destroy life. Robert Farrar Capon has reasonably said, “A vegetarian creation is no answer. It is only our human chauvinism that is satisfied when literal bloodshed is ruled out. The lettuces still, in their own way, take a dim view of having to cease being lettuces; as they can, they fight it.” When I breathe, I inhale whole ecosystems of microbial organisms. The cells in my body are continually dying. During my fetal development, countless cells underwent a programmed death (called apoptosis) so that I could form normally. My ability to hear and see the preacher denounce death was dependent on the ongoing death of millions of perfectly healthy cells in my body.

    So, perhaps the preacher’s statement “God never intended death!” was too strong. Perhaps there are only certain types of death that God did not intend.
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    Or, perhaps plucking the fruit of the trees in the garden, which contained perfect nutrition, was not death. Perhaps the fruit was not alive. Perhaps only the tree itself was alive. Perhaps. Perhaps. Perhaps.
     
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    I agree!... If it is not perhaps... It is what if?... The perhaps and the what ifs never happened but men in their foolish imaginations still want to speculate... Instead of embracing truths they want to chase lies... Brother Glen
     
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    Death was intended.

    Mankind was created natural. That which is natural CAN NOT be born spiritual, unless the natural first DIES.

    1Cor.15
    1. [36] Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
     
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    Death before Adam ~ ?

    Yes. One. Called the Word of God.
     
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    [/QUOTE]

    I think you're making several category errors here.

    First you are assuming we are the same physiologically today as we were pre-fall. The bible states that Jesus came "In the form of sinful flesh", so immediately the question arises "What is non sinful flesh look like". The Church sees the fall as dramatic, IE Giant Gems turning into rocks, fluorescent trees into what we see today, and so on. So to assume our bodies are how they were pre-fall is a category error.

    Second, this preacher is wrong, Christ was crucified "Before the foundation of the world", all that happens is ordained by His Hand, included in that is death.

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    I think the life referenced here would be associated with blood; Animal life.
     
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    Death BEFORE Adam, is the "killing of the Word" of God, which is accomplished by REJECTING the Word of God, which was accomplished IN Heaven, (By Lucifer), before mankind was created, during the time the earth was being created, which caused Lucifer to become cast down to earth, (losing his holiness, his holy heavenly estate, his name), and becoming an occupant of earth, (his current estate) BEFORE mankind, being dubbed Satan the Devil, the "father" (ie "first"), LIAR, "father" of Lies, the first MURDERER, as Scripture reveals such knowledge.
     
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    I think you're making several category errors here.

    First you are assuming we are the same physiologically today as we were pre-fall. The bible states that Jesus came "In the form of sinful flesh", so immediately the question arises "What is non sinful flesh look like". The Church sees the fall as dramatic, IE Giant Gems turning into rocks, fluorescent trees into what we see today, and so on. So to assume our bodies are how they were pre-fall is a category error.

    Second, this preacher is wrong, Christ was crucified "Before the foundation of the world", all that happens is ordained by His Hand, included in that is death.

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    Christ's crucifixion was planned before the foundation of the world. He died on the cross in time as specified by the Bible.
     
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