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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Rebel1, Dec 25, 2017.

  1. utilyan

    utilyan Well-Known Member
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    There is a hell, prepared for the devil, fallen angels and plenty of sinners.

    Its funny hearing a Calvinist who believes the reprobate who he would insist has NO CAPACITY to Love God would count Hell as a place a reprobate would not want to go.

    Throwing "the reprobate" in heaven would be the reprobate's nightmare, or anywhere near Jesus.
     
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    utilyan Well-Known Member
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    Romans 1:18

    18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

    There are words for Godliness, holiness and Righteousness devoid of Love, Evil and Sin.

    Without love, it simply wouldn't care in the first place.

    Trying to undermine Love, is trying to undermine God.

    Knocking it from the highest priority is not going to happen.
     
  3. Yeshua1

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    Does God actually ever judge any sinner then?
     
  4. Reformed

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    You have no idea what I am talking about. I am not undermining love. Go back and read my previous posts. When you understand what I have said, come back and we can continue this discussion.
     
  5. utilyan

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    Did I say you were undermining love?

    Go back and read my previous post. When you understand what I have said, come back and we can continue this discussion.


    Smoking crack is bad. (doesn't mean you smoke crack)
     
  6. Earth Wind and Fire

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    How about pot?
     
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    That would explain a lot.
     
  8. Earth Wind and Fire

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    The things you don’t understand would fill up full universes. Please feel free to blather on and on and on.
     
  9. Adonia

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    According to Jesus, love is the most important thing and you are absolutely correct. He not only says we should love God with everything we have, we are to love others, even down to our enemies. Love is the basis of Jesus's whole life, the love of humanity that He willingly laid down His life so in the end we could all have eternal life.
     
  10. Yeshua1

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    Can God can have be both Love and Wrath as divine attributes?
     
  11. utilyan

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    Some folks here can use a hit of herb.

    John Calvin's crowning work: Institutes of the Christian Religion.


    How many times he mentions God is love? Never. Evil people have their eyes on POWER FIRST.

    The idolatry of sovereign power.


    God is LOVE. People try to knock God down to a attribute. That God is a someone who has Love dominated.

    If it is not in service to love or it tries to manipulate or undermine love, that is just called EVIL.

    LOVE is GOD, LOVE is a someone who is God.

    “God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in them.” 1 john 4

    ^John doesn't just say the same thing over, but both/also whoever abides in LOVE does so to God.
    That means LOVE is GOD.

    Everything evil is going to be geared towards knocking down the priority of loving others.

    Evil tries to teach that everything they know ABOUT Jesus is more important then what Jesus TEACHES.
     
  12. Earth Wind and Fire

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  13. Earth Wind and Fire

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    They seriously could use something :Biggrin

     
  14. Rebel1

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    Absolutely!

    I think you can get to heaven with a wrong belief about doctrines, but I don't think you can get there if you don't love.
     
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    You will know them by their fruits - Matthew 7
    Not everyone who SAYS Lord Lord - but he who DOES -- Matthew 7

    Actions indicate who/what you "are" regardless of your "belief". So a vitriolic all-ad-hominem Baptist or Adventist is not going to get into heaven - while a gentile mild Christlike Catholic will.

    However "the love of error" also will not get you to heaven

    he will turn them over to strong delusion so that they might believe a lie - because they did not receive a LOVE of the TRUTH - 2Thess2.
     
  16. BobRyan

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    That video with the comment "Some folks here can use a hit of herb." that you respond to points to an interesting distinction where when the Popes differ they try to cut off someone's head.

    Lateran IV? (Exterminate heretics and Jews)
     
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    He can have wrath against sin and love the sinner.
     
  18. Rebel1

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    I believe that is right.
     
  19. Yeshua1

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    The theology of BOTH the SDA and the Church of Rome as regarding salvation is wrong and false!
    Are some saved in both churches? yes, totally due tot he grace and will of God, for both of them teach a false Gospel message!
     
  20. Adonia

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    I can't speak for the SDA, but the Latin Rite of Christianity preaches Christ crucified. There are still altars in our houses of worship that speak to that momentous act in history. What is in your house of worship, a pulpit only?
     
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