Delaware candidate Christine O'Donnell questions church and state separation

[Crabtownboy]

In case you missed it the first three times... I watched it.

That doesn't matter. It was a question and you know it!

I don't need to read your quotes.

Because they prove you wrong.

Have you never asked a question as a way of making a point?

As it was a question your question is mute.

She asked if it is in the Constitution - meaning the phrase seperation of church and state

Yes, and after he explained she ask that shows her ignorance.

I find it funny that because you have found some opinion pieces with quotation marks you believe that you know more about it than someone who watched.

Are you saying they are all wrong?

Does this statement equally apply to Obama who said that there are fifty-seven States?

I'd rather have someone ignorant of geography than of the Constitution.

Remember Palin's ignorance on Africa.

But, let's move on. What do you believe is meant in the First Amendment that has been interpreted by almost all Americans and all Supreme Court decisions as "separation of church and state"?

 

[sag38]

If the things being advocated by Crabby were know by his "heros" from the past they would throw him under the bus.

 

[sag38]

Crabby, you know very well that she did not misquote anything. Only someone with an agenda would come to the conclusion that you have. I listened to what she said it is evident that you are drinking the bed wetting kool-aide and deliberately trying to ruin the reputation of someone you disagree with. You owe everyone here an apology for twisting the truth to fit your twisted agenda.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Crabby, you know very well that she did not misquote anything. Only someone with an agenda would come to the conclusion that you have. I listened to what she said it is evident that you are drinking the bed wetting kool-aide and deliberately trying to ruin the reputation of someone you disagree with. You owe everyone here an apology for twisting the truth to fit your twisted agenda.

Sorry SAG, I have not twisted anything ... just reported what has been reported. Why are all the articles putting a ? after the quote?

What do you believe the First Amendment means?

 

[sag38]

She wasn't questioning if it was in the First Amendment. Her opponent made it sound as if it were in the First Amendment. She was questioning his knowledge. You know that, I know it and yet, for the sake of political expediency, you are playing an ugly game. How would you like it if your words were twisted to make it appear that you said something stupid? In the raw, Crabby, it's called lying and that's exactly what you are guilty of by perpetuating this attack.

 

[targus]

That doesn't matter. It was a question and you know it!

It was a question - but that says nothing about context.

Because they prove you wrong.

How can you say this?

I watched it - you didn't.

As it was a question your question is mute.

There is still that pesky little context issue.

Yes, and after he explained she ask that shows her ignorance.

So is the phrase "seperation of church and state" in the Constitution?

She asked the question as a form of statement that the phrase "seperation of church and state" is not in the Constitution.

Are you saying they are all wrong?

More than that, I am saying that they are purposely taking it out of context so that people like you can climb on the bandwagon.

Don't you think that context matters?

I'd rather have someone ignorant of geography than of the Constitution.

Remember Palin's ignorance on Africa.

So having been called on Obama's ignorance concerning the number of States you want to qualify what ignorance is acceptable and not acceptable in a candidate?

How very convenient - and typical - for you.

But, let's move on. What do you believe is meant in the First Amendment that has been interpreted by almost all Americans and all Supreme Court decisions as "separation of church and state"?

I think you just painted with a pretty broad brush there.

I think that it means just what it says...

Congress can not establish a religion...

And Congress can not inhibit my practice of religion.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Congress can not establish a religion...

And Congress can not inhibit my practice of religion.

Should religion have any practice in government in any way?

 

[sag38]

I want so bad to call someone a liar but the mod's would probably get me. But, I'm thinking it in my heart.

 

[Crabtownboy]

I want so bad to call someone a liar but the mod's would probably get me. But, I'm thinking it in my heart.

I think you just did in a back-handed way ... and your potty mouth was noted in your first statement.

In your opinion what should be the interaction between government and religion?

Why has the courts for over two centuries ruled approval of separation of church and state. If they are now separate what should the interaction be?

 

[freeatlast]

This should cost her every Baptist vote in the state....however it will not do so because far too many Baptist do not know Baptist history nor the full wording and history of the First Amendment to the Constitution. I would not vote for any candidate, regardless of party, who showed such ignorance of the Constitution.

I am afraid that it is you who does not know the constitution. She is correct. The first amendment does not says separation of church and state. That is what the socialists want it to say but it does not. The constitution forbids the government from making laws that prevent religion from practicing its faith as well as preventing the government from requiring religion. It is not a separation.

 

[targus]

Should religion have any practice in government in any way?

Yes - voters can vote according to their personal beliefs.

Some can even vote contrary to their claimed beliefs - like Christians who voted for Obama and his abortion agenda.

 

[RAdam]

What the first amendment says is this, and it is so simple that one has to intentionally miss it: Congress is not allowed to make a law concerning religion at all. They can't make a law establishing religion. They can't make a law prohibiting the free exercise of religion. Congress cannot make a law concerning religion. It's incredibly simple. The amendment says nothing of a separation of church and state as we see today. In fact, it says that Congress is violating its first amendment obligation in trying to carry out this separation of church and state nonsense.

 

[freeatlast]

Should religion have any practice in government in any way?

Religion is a broad term and can conjure up many different and wild notions. In the case of Christianity yes it should be practiced in our government. That does not mean that the government sets the standards for the nation, but rather the faith of the Christian's sets the standards for the government.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Yes - voters can vote according to their personal beliefs.

Some can even vote contrary to their claimed beliefs - like Christians who voted for Obama and his abortion agenda.

They already have that right.

Should religion have any authority over the government. If you not like the current separation of church and state what would you like?

 

[Crabtownboy]

I am afraid that it is you who does not know the constitution. She is correct. The first amendment does not says separation of church and state. That is what the socialists want it to say but it does not. The constitution forbids the government from making laws that prevent religion from practicing its faith as well as preventing the government from requiring religion. It is not a separation.

I am curious. Why have the courts for over 200 years ruled in favor of the separation of church and state?

 

[freeatlast]

They already have that right.

Should religion have any authority over the government. If you not like the current separation of church and state what would you like?

The answer is yes. The predominate religious faith should be the one dictating to the government not the other way around. There is no separation of church and state in our constitution.

 

[targus]

They already have that right.

Who said they didn't?

You asked a questiona and I answered it.

Should religion have any authority over the government.

No and no one is advocating that it should.

If you not like the current separation of church and state what would you like?

For government to stay out of individuals rights to practice their religion.

The government interfers in the practice of religion at many levels - with the purpose preventing someone who has different beliefs from being subjected to being exposed to it - in the name of seperation.

 

[targus]

I am curious. Why have the courts for over 200 years ruled in favor of the separation of church and state?

Because you are cherry picking.

 

[freeatlast]

I am curious. Why have the courts for over 200 years ruled in favor of the separation of church and state?

They haven't. It seems that you have bought the lie. The phrase was quoted by the United States Supreme Court first in 1878, and then in a series of cases starting in 1947. The phrase itself does not appear in the U.S. Constitution, although the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

However perhaps there is some problem here with semantics. Would you explain what you mean by separation of church and state? Thank you.

 

[Crabtownboy]

They haven't. It seems that you have bought the lie. The phrase was quoted by the United States Supreme Court first in 1878, and then in a series of cases starting in 1947. The phrase itself does not appear in the U.S. Constitution, although the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

I believe the concept is there though those exact words are not used.

However perhaps there is some problem here with semantics. Would you explain what you mean by separation of church and state? Thank you.

Government must maintain a neutral attitude toward religion. Also, citizens are allowed the freedom to practice any religion of their choice. And also the government cannot officially recognize or favor any religion over other religions.

Also, no religion should have authority over the government. They can try to influence the government, but not control it. Throughout history very bad things have happened when the church had such controls.