Democrats and Abortion

well I don't know,,, how many babies have to die before they become important.

 

Relatively unimportant are your words not mine, I said it was not at the top of my list, doesn't mean it isn't on the list. Would put it right after outlawing capital punishment and yes, you are correct about there being a level of tolerance.

It just seems to me that there is a lot of blathering on about abortion from conservative Christians as an excuse not to do anything to help the poor already living, many times right down the street.

You want to stop abortion...you can make a HUGE dent by making sure every girl in your town graduates high school. Oh, but see that would take lots of hard work and you might have to hold off building that multi-million dollar sanctuary that sits empty 6 days out of the week. Don't tell me you care about life when you aren't doing anything to help those already born.

 

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Do you mean you favor killing an innocent child, is LESS important to you than executing a convicted killer, rapist, child molester etc.?
Surely I am misreading your intent.
Please clarify this statement; Thanks!

Whew!!!! Pretty dogmatic in your judgements, aren't you? Seems that you have had a pretty bad experience with a "CHRISTIAN" somewhere along the way.

They must have approved a building project that you don't agree with!

Agreed that this can be a "status" for some churches, but it's also necessary sometimes for a congregation to grow. The main sticking point here is whether God has led to expand, or, is the staff/congregation just wanting to show how successful they are by the "NEW" construction.

And of course you are knowledgable of all endeavors in this area; yes, no???

You might try going back to bed & getting up on the other side!:BangHead:

 

Nobody would expect anything more from you, carpro.
Thanks so much for your input.

So, you are stating that you didn't really have anyone in mind when you made the statement. Let's remember that the word "love" describes a specific opinion/viewpoint. If not stated, it's generally not a good idea to assign such a strong emotion to an entire group of Americans. This is especially true in the case of a topic that has so much potential to turn into an all-out fight.
Although I would STRONGLY disagree with your contention, we'll leave it at that.

Or perhaps simply roll out the issue in an election year just to shore up the captive base of true conservatives.

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It is worth noting that this article only references three Democrats:
1. Elizabeth Edwards - she is not running for office.
2. Barak Obama - he didn't specifically address abortion, and the amplification came from an aide.
3. Hillary Clinton - she didn't really give an answer that would lead one to the conclusion you offer.
Most importantly, nobody made a comment that would indicate that "they will do everything to return partial birth abortion
and have taxpayers pay for it." Nobody said anything about partial-birth abortions, and nobody said anything about taxpayer-funded
partial-birth abortions.

Regards to all - even to you carpro,
BiR

 

I said "far-left" Democrats. I know that there are moderate Democrats who may be pro-choice but aren't militant.

LINK

From the link:

I'm sorry, but whenever someone takes issue with someone who says abortions are tragedies, there is a major, major problem.

 

Economics has nothing to do with keeping your pants zipped up. And the lack of money is not a reason to murder an innocent unborn child. Especially to wait until the latest term and deliver all but the head, shove a tube up the back of its neck inserting it into the skull and sucking the brains out. That is no better than Hilter or any serial killer. I hope thos who do such and support such either repent soon or answer to God for it quickly. This is hideous.

 

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I would say that you are putting it VERY mildly!

 

Then where are the retractions from Obama and John Edwards. I assume you have a link where they corrected the statements given by key members in their campaigns.

 

Obviously, pro-life doesn't mean pro-life. Where as you rank life I choose not to do so. Life is life and belongs in the hands of God, not the politically motivated hands of humanity. I of course was speaking in such a manner as to draw attention to the fact that in my mind capital punishment is as wrong as abortion. I want abortion to stop, but for me it is a heart and mind issue not a law issue. It has been turned into a football to be kicked around by both sides until those actually impacted by the decision to have or not have an abortion have been long forgotten or ignored. That being said, it is not the first issue I want to know about concerning a potential president.

So just to bring this discussion full circle, how have any of you actually helped a young lady who was pregnant?

How about this, what if all the money and time that have been spent on flyer's, protest signs, legal maneuvering and the like had been instead invested in the lives of those who where turning to abortion as a solution in a moment of crisis...what then?

It is frustrating to hear how awful abortion is and yet see very little expect lip service and protest signs actually being done to help those in need. If I came off grumpy, I guess in a manner of speaking I am but it is not without a reason.

 

I personally know "far-left" Democrats who are pro-life. On the same note, I know "far right" Libertarians who feel that this is a personal choice that should be left to the individual.

 

The point I was addressing was partial-birth abortions.

 

I suppose we're getting into semantics. I would not consider a pro-life Democrat to be "far-left." In my state there are some pro-life Democrats, and I have considered voting for them.

I also think that many Libertarians are wrong on this issue, as I think they are on drugs.

 

What kind of drugs are they on?:laugh:

 

If they had their way with the legal system, they could be on any drug you like!

 

I have a feeling the topic of Abortion has been kicked around on this board for a long time and it will most likely be kicked around a lot longer, as long as abortion is legal, and even if it becomes illegal, it will still be an issue.

I would like to make some points

1. Abortion has been around for a long, long time. Throughout the OT, it is mentioned and it is an abomination unto God (Leviticus, Deu, 2Kings, Ezek). It is the same today as it was in those times, daily children "pass through the fire" at the hand of their "mothers". This practice was founded by practioners of the occult and done today. It has evolved from what it was then "passing through fire" to what it is now "being ripped apart", all to glorify the same god.

2. America will be judged heavily over abortion. Over 40 million INNOCENT lives have been taken because of abortion since 1973.

3. No one should ever compare capital punishment to abortion. They are not the same things. God's law states that if you take a life, your life is required of you. If you are a murderer, than a murderers death is due. As a murderer you are not innocent and a punishment is required, death. You know the penalty before the crime is committed, you know the cost. The child has no choice, his/her voice is not heard, judgement was made when no trial was conducted. The innocent lives should be spared.

 

Surely every sin is a "heart and mnd" isue, but that does not mean we do not legislate against it. Murder is a heart and mind issue, as is theft etc. It is the duty of government to protect is people, and surely people are no more vulnerable and in need of protection than when they are in the womb.