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Democrats Retreat on FISA Reform Bill

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  1. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member
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    Democrats Forced to Retreat on Their FISA Reform Bill

    By Susan Jones
    CNSNews.com Senior Editor
    October 18, 2007

    EXCERPT

    (CNSNews.com) - House Democrats on Wednesday abruptly pulled a bill intended to curb the administration's terrorist surveillance program after Republicans tried to correct a flaw in the bill -- and it looked like rank-and-file Democrats would go along with the Republican motion.

    Republicans complained that the Democrats' FISA "reform" bill (called the RESTORE Act of 2007) would prohibit timely surveillance of terror groups by requiring the intelligence community to obtain a FISA court order to listen to terrorist communications.

    House Republicans offered a motion to fix the bill. They wanted to make it clear that the intelligence community could conduct surveillance on Osama Bin Laden, al Qaeda, or any other foreign terrorist organization without waiting for a FISA court to issue a warrant every time.

    That would have gutted the Democrats' bill, which said intelligence officials would have to obtain a FISA court order to listen to foreign terror suspects, including Osama bin Laden, who operate overseas but who may have had contact with people in the U.S. or who may have called a U.S. number.

    When it looked like Democrats would go along with the Republicans' motion, Democratic leaders pulled their bill from consideration.
     
    #1 carpro, Oct 18, 2007
  2. 2 Timothy2:1-4

    2 Timothy2:1-4 New Member

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    :laugh: :applause: :thumbs: :godisgood:
     
    #2 2 Timothy2:1-4, Oct 18, 2007
  3. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member
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    Democrats have made a habit of avoiding debate on issues they know they can't pass.

    They don't want it to be public knowledge how inept they are at drafting legislation.
     
    #3 carpro, Oct 19, 2007
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    More gutlessness by the Congressional Democrats. They are a poor excuse for an opposition party to President Bush.
     
    #4 KenH, Oct 19, 2007
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    It isnt that they ar gutless (however they are) it is that they have no choice. they have not the power to get what they want done. They are useless.
     
    #5 2 Timothy2:1-4, Oct 19, 2007
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    The Democrats have plenty of power. They just don't have the guts to use it.
     
    #6 KenH, Oct 19, 2007
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    But by drafting a bad bill like the FISA Reform bill, they even lost support amongst the more responsible members of their own party.
     
    #7 carpro, Oct 20, 2007
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    They do not have any power because they do not have the support they need or else bills like this would get through, the Presidents veto on the socialist health care expansion would have been overridden, and they would be able to keep their campaign promise and pull us out of Iraq.
     
    #8 2 Timothy2:1-4, Oct 20, 2007
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    The Dem's have a lot of guts in even proposing such legislation so potentially damaging to American security. I'm thankful for Polosi, et al's ineptness.
     
    #9 hillclimber1, Oct 20, 2007
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    Sure they do. The Democrats have plenty of power. They are simply afraid of President Bush and how the Republicans might mischaracterize their actions during the 2008 campaign, just like the Republicans fear the Democrats mischaracterizing their actions about Social Security which is why the Republican Congress refused to support President Bush's Social Security reform effort in 2005.
     
    #10 KenH, Oct 20, 2007
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    And your support for this idea is what?
     
    #11 2 Timothy2:1-4, Oct 20, 2007
  12. KenH

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    Observing political campaigns since 1964.
     
    #12 KenH, Oct 20, 2007
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    So this is just your opinion?
     
    #13 2 Timothy2:1-4, Oct 20, 2007
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    No. It is based on what has happened during actual campaigns.

    I take it you aren't big on paying attention to political history.
     
    #14 KenH, Oct 20, 2007
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    The variables between campaigns is so great that it is foolish to think that you can discover such notions from one campaign to another. Or this in fact may be just an attempt to cover up the lack of evidence for your position.

    But the evidnce that is undisputable is that they cvannot get anything done even with all the effort they are putting out.
     
    #15 2 Timothy2:1-4, Oct 20, 2007
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    That is another of the most ignorant comments ever made in this forum since I came to this board 5.5 years ago.

    The Democrats, like clockwork, have historically fearmongered the Social Security issue any time a Republican candidate for public office has come anywhere near the issue.
     
    #16 KenH, Oct 20, 2007
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    So what? That is not evidence of anything you are saying. It doesn't necessarliy speak to other issues or even this one. This is just specualtion. What you are trying to do is determine their heart which can be influenced by many things at any time. I am just looking at the results of where they are at right now. You can call me ignorant if you want to. This is quite common of Ronnie supporters.
     
    #17 2 Timothy2:1-4, Oct 20, 2007
  18. KenH

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    No, it isn't.

    But you never, ever admit facts, Timmy.
     
    #18 KenH, Oct 20, 2007
  19. 2 Timothy2:1-4

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    You havent provided any as all can see.
     
    #19 2 Timothy2:1-4, Oct 20, 2007
  20. KenH

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    That's because it appears that you never paid any attention to politics until within the past year.
     
    #20 KenH, Oct 20, 2007
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