DID AMERICA'S GAY SINS CAUSE 9-11? YES!

Thank God he is more patient than us!

 

Amen to that post Bob, but we are adding to the word of God when we declare adamantly that 9/11 or any other tragedy was God's wrath on homosexuality or any other sin. We can never know the mind of God. Why did 9/11 happen? Only God knows and we are wrong to try and assign blame for it.

9/11 happened because a few evil men acted according to the dictates of their own evil heart.

 

No. And why does everyone target homoesexual's to condemn? Why not target all the adulturer's, or maybe all the men living with their girlfriends. Or if you really care about sin and people's lives, then target and DO something about prostitution, especially forced prostitution. But stop getting into people's faces and start getting into people's lives.

 

Open homosexuality and lesbianism is itself a judgment of God, read Romans chapter 1.

Maybe we Christians in America ought to look at our own sins, such as the disobedient philosophies of New Evangelicalism, and repent toward God. Have we left our first love? How can we expect the Lord to be on our side fighting against abortion and other issues when we are arm in arm with Roman Catholics and other apostates?

Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.

 

(No. And why does everyone target homoesexual's to condemn? Why not target all the adulturer's, or maybe all the men living with their girlfriends. Or if you really care about sin and people's lives, then target and DO something about prostitution, especially forced prostitution. But stop getting into people's faces and start getting into people's lives.) Excuse me......... are you talking to the one posting the message or God?

 

This country will not receive any blessings from the Almighty God until we, as a nation, are able to meet His conditions for blessing.

Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD...Psalms 33:12

 

The ONLY way? Then we're all doomed.

 

Dear Brother Robert,

Yes, it seems apparent that the Supreme Court of our beloved nation has sided with the evil one.

Jesus spoke of these very evils which would appear just before His coming back to Earth.
Perhaps this is that time, perhaps not.

Matthew 24
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Luke 17
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Isaiah 14
11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.
13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

Yes, we should mourn and pray.

On the other hand...

1 Thessalonians 5
8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

1 Thessalonians 4
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

 

Christ4Kildare sez:

Excellent point!!! I was amazed at the comments just after 9/11 that 1)blamed queers exclusively for the attack as judgment from God, or 2)adamantly denied that a loving God (somehow God as judge is ignored?) could have anything to do with the attack.
As you say, it may or may not, have had any direct bearing on the episode, but without a direct word from God Himself, well, we just don't know


JonathanDT sez:

Have you ever seen an "ADULTERER'S PARADE"? How about thieves trying to get "EQUAL RIGHTS"? Or maybe gossips trying to get their "LIFESTYLE" taught in schools. Possibly drunks getting "IN YOUR FACE" to try to force you to accept their "ALTERNATIVE" lifestyle?

Need I continue?

 

JonathanDT
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posted March 20, 2004 02:57 AM
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No. And why does everyone target homoesexual's to condemn? Why not target all the adulturer's, or maybe all the men living with their girlfriends. Or if you really care about sin and people's lives, then target and DO something about prostitution, especially forced prostitution. But stop getting into people's faces and start getting into people's lives.
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I agree

America as a whole need to return to God and repent for their sins when i mean everybody I mean Belivers too (and yes that includes me ) and Belivers need to Get the Gospel out to this country so unbelivers will know that they are sinners and that God Loves them and that Jesus died for sinners we who belive need not to point fingers but first look at ourselves first. AS the Bible says HOW will they Hear unless they are told......

 

Read the Bible, and particularly the New Testament where Jesus' teachings on sin and grace are recorded. "America" can't commit a sin because "America" isn't a person. America also isn't Israel, and does not have a national covenant with God because as a nation America does not have "chosen people" status as Israel did in the Old Testament.

God's chosen people in the new covenant are those who follow Christ as their Lord and Savior. (See I Peter 2:9-10) It is quite unfortunate that the church of believers, for whatever reason, has lost its influence in America. Perhaps we've been too arrogant over the years. Perhaps we've tried too hard to use worldly power and worldly means to keep it. Perhaps we've "placed our trust in princes," to maintain our influence, rather than focusing our talents and energy on ministry to follow up on evangelism.

God never changes. But people do. Personally, I think the Christian church in America has made too many icons out of hymns, worship styles and methods of doing things, and has come off as hard nosed and unbending. We have too many unbiblical requirements that people must meet before we are willing to love and minister to them and they've responded by ignoring us. The result is that in each succeeding generation, fewer and fewer people are hearing and responding to the gospel, and the country has moved from a Christian influence to a secular influence by force of sheer number.

We live in a fallen world, and have since Adam and Eve were banned from the garden. God does not have to explain to us why terrorists crashed airplanes into buildings and killed thousands of people. Nor does he have to explain to us why missionaries who have committed their lives and families to him are wiped out in senseless attacks. Our country has failed to respond to the gospel because we, the Christian church, have failed to take it with gentleness and respect (I Peter 3:15-17)to our neighbors.

 

The poster obviously. Go through the Bible and count how many verses you see dealing specifically with homosexuality and how many deal specifically with adultery. Yet despite sexual promiscuity being a much more common sin, and it being dealt with a lot more in the Bible, fundamentalists instead target homosexuals and make them the dregs of society when adulturers aren't a big deal. Huh?

Because everyone else already has equal rights, everything else is somehow no big deal. A gossip isn't looked down on as a person because they gossip. A drunk isn't looked down on as a person because they get drunk. Someone living with their girlfriend/boyfriend isn't considered a "bad person" because they do so. Nothing has been criticized more harshly than homosexuality. And I've never had a gay person get in my face to accept their lifestyle, maybe because I've never gotten in their face to tell them how they're the worst people on the planet.

 

Another save america crusade. How sad.

It is really a shame that Christ said to reach individuals and we still have people ignorantly trying to save a nation.

News flash: unless every citizen in america is a christian, this nation will NEVER have God as its Lord. Get a clue people.

 

Amen!

At last, a sane biblical answer.

 

That has a nice sound to it, but it isn't true. America has been blessed wonderfully by God and there have always been, and always be, unbelievers.

For that matter, the OT nation of Israel, at times in God's favor and receiving His blessings, had some amount of sin and unbelief among its polulation.

I'm not trying to be "picky" here, but I want to point out that this kind of thinking can lead to the unfortunate attitude that things are hopeless and there is no need to pray or work for a peaceful, God-fearing nation.

-PA Jim

 

Easy. They're so insecure about their faith that they need a boogeyman so that they can throw their chests out and say, "well, I may be a sinner, but at least I'm not as bad as that guy".

It's really no difference than the schoolyard bully who picks on kids to cover up for his own insecurities and inadequacies. And so you ever notice that bullies only pick on the most vulnerable targets?

When will the church realize that we need to love these people and not demonize them.

My only prayer is that the people who treat them this way will recieve more grace than they show to others.

**Standard Disclaimer**

No, I am not advocating homosexuality so please don't ask me how a Christian can support homosexuality.

 

Jonathan DT and others of his thinking:

I agree. I hate it when evangelicals thump their Bibles at homosexuals and abortion and divorce...

...when they are fat and guilty of gluttony!

...when they think Harry Potter, YuGiOh, and occult games are just harmless fantasy, not serious witchcraft/sorcery propaganda.

...when they don't abort, but also don't raise up children to be different from the world (see George Barna's statistics that "Christians" are nearly identical to unbelievers in every way).

...when they want to use violent war to stop violent terrorism (not "turn the other cheek").

...when they worship a political party and think a good Christian has to vote for a specific candidate.

...when conservatives sin (Rush Limbaugh) with dope, but they ignore it and put pot smokers in jail.

...when they refuse to support a Biblically accurate film (Gospel of John, Luther, etc.).

...when they neglect to preach against materialism, nation worship, sports adddiction, shopping addiction, dictatorial church leadership ('lords' over God's heritage), incest and wife battering and child molesting in nice nuclear married families, etc. etc.

Christians are mocked rightfully for isolating certain sins and ignoring others.

Gays: bad...abortion:bad...divorce: bad...gays:bad...abortion:bad...divorce:bad....

on and on and on and on...silly and hypocritical.

Gluttony:bad. Gambling:bad. Blind following of corrupt church leaders:bad. Prosperity worship:bad. Church Cultishness:bad.

All these sins, not a couple of your favorite to bash relentlessly, contributed to the withdrawal of God's protection over the USA.