did Christ die for all?

I can see it now, Me2 jumping up and down before the throne of God, yelling at God telling him, "Don't you understand God, you were suppose to save all of those you cast into the lake of fire including Satan, the dragon, the False prophet who betrayed so many, and the Demons who for millenniums taunted and tormented mankind, deceiving them keeping them blinded to the truth. You were supposed to do that because that is the way I, Me2, understood Your Holy Word! What's the matter with you God, Can't you read?

Well, actually I can't see that happening, because God would have foreseen it coming and would have certainly dealt with it. God will be looking on the heart, and if there is no faith there, he will simply point to the lake of fire where he cast all the evil and all the unbelievers. God will spend no time or effort "hearing" excuses or complaints. You either have faith and therefore do not appear before the judgment throne, or you have no faith, which condemns you before you get to the throne.(John 3:18)

Me2, Can you give us the reference where the scriptures describe the Lake of Fire as you do? Where in scripture does it say that there is redemption from the lake of fire?

If you cannot provide such, then I suggest that it is nothing more than a figment of your imagination.

 

Just as in Revelation 20 which I posted for Me2's benefit, Paul says the same thing, essentially, to the Corinthians. Look at the order of things in Revelation 20, see if it is not as Paul states it here.

Who are those who belong to Jesus? Isn't it those who believe in Him and submit themselves to Him? Many know who Jesus is, but not all of them submit themselves to Him. </font>[/QUOTE]I don't understand how what I said is taken out of context.
Or that it says anything different than what you are saying.
Bro. Dallas

 

Yelsew,

or the second version.

as we see Yelsew ranting and raving about mans faith being required to move Gods opinion.
As yelsew wrings his hands waiting as God judges each and every sinner before him.
Unfortunately every verdict is twarted by the injustice of one man standing beside all and dying for all sins and then the audacity of God to impute the righteousness of one single action of a righteous to cover the transgressions of all.

How would you like it if God makes you sit there while 100's of billions of souls are judged. each rendering an innocent verdict from God as you wait patiently for JUST ONE SINNER to be judged GUILTY.

proving yourself and your understanding of Gods way to be righteous all along...uh..i mean right.

My opinion is that it will be a long and fruitless wait..bud

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

2Ti 1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

second death is the abolishment or rendering useless the power that death has over unrighteous men. through the single act of the sacrificial death of jesus christ by destroying the power of death by overcoming it with a greater power.

resurrection power.

if if this power be given to all men...By our creator

death becomes powerless. thus being abolished

add in a little...

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

and reflect on our lives today as theirs in the future...

judgement of God comes in the way of forgiveness. yet the sanctification of saints includes the destruction of the works of evil. the removal of works of flesh.

we all were sinners before God called us out of this world. and we all are taught of the Holy Spirit the difference of truth and error. and its taught to us by his methods and will.

all acts of sin are forgiven.(eventually)

and there is pain and agony in each and every defeat of our pride as we discover that we are not gods unto our selves, but meer finite creature conforming to an inteded desired image.

perhaps we could look at this as the offenders not forgiving themselves. for that is part of the sin.
or even the sin itself being used to allow the participant to reflect of different conclusions of choices. however the case.
as it happens to the bride today. as it will happen to all men everywhere eventually.

we exit this "lake" by dying to self and allowing God to resurrect us as we depend on the blood of Christ to sanctify us of all unrighteousness.

Gods methods dont change. as it is today, so it will be then. Jesus will still become everyones lord.
as he will be everyones christ.

God doesnt want people tormented or even annihilated. He forgave us all. he made us to become his children. not eternal object lessons of his anger.

God is not angry with mankind.
He repented. He forgave us.

Me2

 

What error, There is only one resurrection in Christ (revelation 20:1-10. The other Resurrection, Rev 20:11-15, is the call of all dead from their graves for judgement.

Those resurrected by a Call from the Christ, are those who reign with Him for a millennium, they do not face the second death, and will not be raised from the dead because they have already been raised. They are those who are believers in the Christ, those who died "in faith" or "having faith", the ones who served Jesus and those who lost their lives in service to the Christ.

They shall be raised at least 1000 years before the others, and will reign with Jesus over the world without interference from Satan or any of his demons for Satan is bound and sealed in a pit, constrained if you will for nearly all of the 1000 years. Near the end of that time Satan will be loosed again to deceived those who will be deceived. Then He and shall be cast into the lake of fire for eternal torment. Which could very easily mean "non existence". If you will notice, at the appearance of the one sitting on the throne the sky and the earth vanished, leaving no trace. Well I believe that the Lake of fire also vanishes, for as soon as the last who are cast into it have been there is no more mention of a lake of fire. But there is a "new heavens and new earth and a new Jerusalem. So eternal torment may very well be non existence. Spirit is established to be eternal, having an existence.

As for the meaning of 1 Cor 15:21. In Adam, because of sin, death came to all mankind. In Christ because of His atonement for all the sins of the world, death is no longer the automatic result of sin. Death now comes through unbelief. FAITH ALONE SAVES, the penalty for sin IS PAID in Jesus! Therefore, whosoever believeth in him shall have everlasting life. That is WHOSOEVER, out of ALL mankind WHO BELIEVES, LIVES. It doesn't mean that all mankind live, but that all mankind may live through FAITH!

 

Me2,

Who is Jesus?

What is Jesus?

Before I continue investing my time with you, I must know your answer to those two questions.

(Hint, the answers are relatively short, and they are found in scripture.)

If your answers are correct, I will respond to your last post, if they are not, then I am through with you, because we have been through this very same topic rather continuously over the past several months with no resolution.

 

What power resurrects the others?

Their will
Satan
or
What?

 

Yelsew,

Jesus is the second person in the Godhead.

Jesus is the word.

Jesus is the complete resurrected image of man.

of which my response is: "You are Too Funny".

If God didnt tell me about the subjects you are speaking of. I wouldnt understand what you were expressing. fortunately I do know.
The same applies to you. If God doesnt teach you. Then You do Not know truth. For No man can teach Gods truth to you.
As we Talk. We are simply searching for another who understands and holds the same truths.

It is you who has been on display for all to read. "the other viewpoint" that was brought out in the open for all to learn from.

I Thank You for your participation.

Also, Im quite positive that you've understood nothing from the things I have spoke of.

Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

neither of us could "teach" each other anything. thats NOT how God teaches truth.

So, Got questions...Ask God. You will get all the same answers Ive received.

Me2

 

Revelation 20:11-15 does not reveal any specific power doing the raising. It does say the sea gave up it's dead, Death and Hades were emptied of their dead. But since the one doing the Judging is God Almighty, it seems right that He called them all before Him, all that is, except those who passed from death into life with Jesus Christ.