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Did Dinosaurs co exist with Man?

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yes, if not we would all be clones believing the exact same thing. I was speaking of Scripture's use of "false teacher".

Thanks for the response. I agree that (from what I have seen) the term "false teacher" in scripture is dealing with unsaved people. So, to answer the second part of my question, do we call believers that are teaching heresy false teachers or heretics even though in the Bible the term is reserved for unsaved? I personally am a rather direct person and am apt to call such a person a heretic or false teacher. Would this be correct or no?
 

Havensdad

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Like I thought...nothing. Not wasting my time with this, ask one of your professors, I don't have the time to quote each time it is used and you wouldn't believe it if I did. It's telling that you refuse to quote just one scripture supporting your belief a believer is called a false teacher.

Like I thought. Nothing. I am not wasting my time with this. Its telling that you refuse to quote just one scripture supporting your belief that every false teacher is an unbeliever.
 

webdog

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Thanks for the response. I agree that (from what I have seen) the term "false teacher" in scripture is dealing with unsaved people. So, to answer the second part of my question, do we call believers that are teaching heresy false teachers or heretics even though in the Bible the term is reserved for unsaved? I personally am a rather direct person and am apt to call such a person a heretic or false teacher. Would this be correct or no?

I wouldn't, particularly when quoting Scripture where Paul and Jesus are addressing false teachers and claiming it is ok to address believers in like manner by claiming a believer can biblically be defined as a "false teacher".
 

quantumfaith

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Hi Brother,

I thought I should address this issue of Adam physically dying on the day he ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil:

Death is both physical and spiritual.

Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.​

thou shalt surely die - literally -"dying you shall die".​

In Hebrew it is the infinitive form of the verb to die followed by the imperfect. moth tamooth - tWmT'tAm


Physical death is a process as well as an event.​

In other words the process of physical death began on the day he ate the fruit and would terminate later with the event of his physical death.​

An Addendum: This interpretation is and has been debated. It has more than one translation, however "Dying you shall die" is by no means excluded completely.

AS in Young's literal translation:

YLT Genesis 2:17 and of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou dost not eat of it, for in the day of thine eating of it -- dying thou dost die.

That it is physical:​

Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.​

Henry Wadsworth Longfellow appears to have understood this in a stanza of his poem A psalm of Life

Life is real ! Life is earnest!
And the grave is not its goal ;
Dust thou art, to dust returnest,
Was not spoken of the soul.​

HankD​

Hank, I do agree with death is both physical and spiritual. I am not certain that we (you or me) can say that Adam was created from the beginning to live without dying though.
 

quantumfaith

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After reading the last 14 pages, I have come to the conclusion that some people in here have more FAITH in science than they do in God.


And I have to agree with Havensdad.

Although I think that this is a rather cheap shot, if you prefer, I will just refrain commenting on anything that even approaches the integration of science and faith. Would that make you happy? And BTW, the essence of the OP, did dinosaurs and man coexist? Absolutely lends itself to integration of how one sees the creation event etc.
 

quantumfaith

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On second thought, no I am not just "going away". I will either exit BB on my own terms, or you will just have to have me banished.
 

Havensdad

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I wouldn't, particularly when quoting Scripture where Paul and Jesus are addressing false teachers and claiming it is ok to address believers in like manner by claiming a believer can biblically be defined as a "false teacher".

Actually, Jesus was addressing PROFESSED BELIEVERS....

A point you continually ignore.
 

HankD

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Hank, I do agree with death is both physical and spiritual. I am not certain that we (you or me) can say that Adam was created from the beginning to live without dying though.

I suppose its within the realm of possibility that you could be right but it certainly seems to throw a dark cloud over God's declaration that Adam would "surely die" (dying you shall die) from eating the fruit if he wasn't made immortal from the primeval creation.

HankD
 

percho

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I suppose its within the realm of possibility that you could be right but it certainly seems to throw a dark cloud over God's declaration that Adam would "surely die" (dying you shall die) from eating the fruit if he wasn't made immortal from the primeval creation.

HankD

I wonder what Adam thought God meant by dying you shall die? What was Adam's concept of death?
 

percho

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Hank, I do agree with death is both physical and spiritual. I am not certain that we (you or me) can say that Adam was created from the beginning to live without dying though.

Does to be dead in trespass and sin mean that you are not alive or is the implication, because of your sins you are not in a covenant relationship with God therefore upon dying you truly will be dead?

Because of the sin of Adam which brought death and all men have sinned sans Jesus of Nazareth are not all men in this state until something is applied to change that?

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son,-----Does this bring you back into a covenant relationship with the Father?--------Are you then saved?-----much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. ------How? When?-----
Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he hath shed forth this, --and renewing of the Holy Spirit; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior; --- and God the Father, who raised him from the dead; -- But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.-----
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.
 

quantumfaith

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Does to be dead in trespass and sin mean that you are not alive or is the implication, because of your sins you are not in a covenant relationship with God therefore upon dying you truly will be dead?

Because of the sin of Adam which brought death and all men have sinned sans Jesus of Nazareth are not all men in this state until something is applied to change that?

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son,-----Does this bring you back into a covenant relationship with the Father?--------Are you then saved?-----much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. ------How? When?-----
Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he hath shed forth this, --and renewing of the Holy Spirit; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior; --- and God the Father, who raised him from the dead; -- But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.-----
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.

"I think" the implication of death here is being out of proper relationship with God due to the disobedience. It seems that it is reasonable to assume that Adam may in fact have witnessed death in creation, hence God's threat of "death" to him prior to fall. There is no recorded reply of Adam seeking to understand what "death" meant.
 
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HankD

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I wonder what Adam thought God meant by dying you shall die? What was Adam's concept of death?

Good observation. Honestly, I don't know but I'm sure God could have explained it to him, though there is no record that He did apart from God telling Adam that death meant that he would go back into the ground from whence he was taken (a chilling thought).

HankD
 

quantumfaith

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Good observation. Honestly, I don't know but I'm sure God could have explained it to him, though there is no record that He did apart from God telling Adam that death meant that he would go back into the ground from whence he was taken (a chilling thought).

HankD

:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs: (Oops, that response draws the ire of some....oh well.) Blessings
 

Benjamin

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Did Dinosaurs co exist with Man?

Yeah, I saw it in a movie. There were fair blond headed people in one tribe that were kind and helpful with each other; and then there were darker brown/black headed people that were every man fro himself and only the strongest survive. Both tribes fought with dinosaurs often. One of the darker tribe members was pushed off a cliff or something and was found by the fairer tribe, he hooked up with a girl there and to make a long story short they were separated from the other tribes by an earthquake and that's how we have evolved into a mixture that we have today.
 

Jim1999

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I'm sure Adam learned what death was over his 900 years of living. He witnessed death, didn't he; Cain and Abel.

There is some 2000 years between Adam and the flood. I'm sure there was a lot of cross-breeding in those years, both in the human and in the animal world.

Cheers,

Jim
 
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