Did Jesus have long hair?

[xdisciplex]

Or better said is having long hair stil a shame?
What Paul wrote here:

1Co 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

Is it his opinion or God's opinion?
I thought that christianity is not about being religious. But forbidding a man to have long hair is religious in my opinion it's the same as forcing women to cover themselves in Islam.

I read in a christian magazine which said that Jesus did not have long hair and that everybody who claims to have had a vision of Jesus with long hair is deceived, that Jesus escaped out of the crowd various times because he looked like a normal jew. This implies that Jesus was basically lucky and that the angry crowd which wanted to kill him simply couldn't find him when he dived into the crowd. Seriously. How ridiculous is this? :BangHead:
Jesus could not be touched by the crowd because God protected him! Not because he looked like the normal jew. What a nonsense.

 

[Rufus_1611]

Or better said is having long hair stil a shame?

Yes.

What Paul wrote here:

1Co 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

Is it his opinion or God's opinion?

This is an ordinance of God delivered through the mouth of Paul.

I thought that christianity is not about being religious.

Christianity is a religion and is about being religious.

"Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world." - James 1:27​

But forbidding a man to have long hair is religious in my opinion it's the same as forcing women to cover themselves in Islam.

That's a bit of a jump. God desires that men be men and women be women, if your desires contradict His desires, that doesn't connect God with Islam.

I read in a christian magazine which said that Jesus did not have long hair and that everybody who claims to have had a vision of Jesus with long hair is deceived, that Jesus escaped out of the crowd various times because he looked like a normal jew.

I've never considered the escape argument but I believe they are accurate in the premise that people who believe Jesus Christ had long hair are deceived.

This implies that Jesus was basically lucky and that the angry crowd which wanted to kill him simply couldn't find him when he dived into the crowd. Seriously. How ridiculous is this? :BangHead:

I agree that God doesn't do luck.

 

[xdisciplex]

But why is long hair so bad? Does this mean all christian men with long hair are deceived?
And what does long hair even men? When is hair considered long?

 

[tragic_pizza]

You think God cares about the length of your hair?
Heavens to Betsy, why?

 

[Rufus_1611]

But why is long hair so bad?

Nature itself declares it, God does not desire His men to be effeminate and he has prescribed long hair to be a glory to the woman:

"But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering." - 1 Corinthians 11:15​

Does this mean all christian men with long hair are deceived?

Possibly.

And what does long hair even men? When is hair considered long?

Personally, I have never found a definition for what is considered long in scripture, perhaps another brother has and can help us out. God made it easy for me as he's blessed me with a balding head, so it's a non-factor. My only counsel would be that Christians should not play price is right with sin. Meaning, we shouldn't try to get as close as we can without going over. If one thinks it might be close to being long, I'd encourage a visit to the barber.

 

[Allan]

Or better said is having long hair stil a shame?
What Paul wrote here:

1Co 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

Is it his opinion or God's opinion?
I thought that christianity is not about being religious. But forbidding a man to have long hair is religious in my opinion it's the same as forcing women to cover themselves in Islam.

I read in a christian magazine which said that Jesus did not have long hair and that everybody who claims to have had a vision of Jesus with long hair is deceived, that Jesus escaped out of the crowd various times because he looked like a normal jew. This implies that Jesus was basically lucky and that the angry crowd which wanted to kill him simply couldn't find him when he dived into the crowd. Seriously. How ridiculous is this? :BangHead:
Jesus could not be touched by the crowd because God protected him! Not because he looked like the normal jew. What a nonsense.

Yes, Jesus had short hair and it was not to protect him.
All the pictures and art we have of Jesus with long hair came from a period of time in art called 'The Renaissance Period'. In this time of art one was considered to be beautiful if one had many of the characticures of a woman. Fair (whitish skin) slim and dainty, long hair and a soft or compassioned look. Since the Lord Jesus was supposed to be the fairest of ten thousand, the Lily of the Valley, excetra... (these did not discripture his looks but his charactor) the artist redered him in like fashion of the day.

Historically, via pictorials, murials, art work and such we KNOW the Jewish people AND the VAST majority of nations had the same mind toward hair on men and women. Men - Short, and Women - Long (there was no prescribed length but it was to be longer than a mans)

ALL Scripture is God Breath or from the very mouth of God to the man and into the pen. When Paul states his opinion in scripture do not forget he like ALL biblical writers was 'carried along by the Holy Spirit" to write every word we have to show us the heart of God on the matter. And though it might be his opinion because it is written IN THE SCRIPTURES we know this is God intent though Paul may not know ALL about it. There is no established Mosaic law concerning hair length because as Paul states "NATURE ITSELF' declares it is a shame for a man to have long hair and women short. Is it no wonder people today concerning how they look (women trying to look more like men and men trying to look more like women - Is this not against nature) don't care what people think that they want what THEY want. There is no shame to or in them - their conscience has been seared with a hot iron or completely severed. Why, because they will have no God to rule of them except themselves and therefore will not live by those things established already but create in themselves their own rules. Moral relitivity - ever hear of it?? This is what God states will happen in the later days just before His comming - as says the scripture their sin will get worse and worse.

Hair length in and of itself is not a sin as the rebellion in the heart that instigates it. Some people don't realize their attitude with regard to it much like many people don't realize some things are sinful they do because that truth has not been revealed to then yet. But once the truth is revealed to them at THAT point they are accountable to God for what they do with that truth revealed.

People who see Jesus like He is in the pictures we portray Him in today, I would have to agree are seeing a deception much like seeing Mary. Not that Christ can't reveal Himself but Not as something He IS NOT.

 

[Rufus_1611]

...People who see Jesus like He is in the pictures we portray Him in today, I would have to agree are seeing a deception much like seeing Mary. Not that Christ can't reveal Himself but Not as something He IS NOT.

Excellent post.

 

[tragic_pizza]

Did Jesus have long hair? Probably. Maybe He was black as well.

So?

 

[Magnetic Poles]

I figure that almighty God has no concern over how long someone's hairstyle is. Doesn't he have bigger fish to fry than worrying with that? To equate long hair with being feminine is a cultural thing, and that changes not only century to century, but decade to decade.

 

[tragic_pizza]

I figure that almighty God has no concern over how long someone's hairstyle is. Doesn't he have bigger fish to fry than worrying with that? To equate long hair with being feminine is a cultural thing, and that changes not only century to century, but decade to decade.

THANK YOU.

Yeesh. The things people can think of as important boggles the mind...

 

[xdisciplex]

How exactly does nature declare that long hair is a shame?

Do the orthodox jews not also have long curly hair? Shouldn't they know their bible pretty well? If having long hair is such a shame why doesn't God already forbid it in the old testament? I guess if it was somewhere in the OT the jews would know it and obey it.

And why do women need a covering? Can they not simply wear a hat or a basecap if they want a covering? Somehow this sounds as if women are dumb.
It's same issue as with women having to cover their heads in church. What is this good for?

1Co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
1Co 11:8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
1Co 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
1Co 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

What does this mean? Because of the angels? Which angels? How is a piece of cotton supposed to help women against angels? Somehow this seems totally senseless to me.

I don't know but somehow Paul's teaching seem to be against women. How do we know that this isn't Paul's own stuff and that he simply had a problem with women? Jesus didn't seem to think of women as inferior. He also didn't tell them to cover their heads. Why? He was there. If it is God's strong will for women to cover their heads and to be submissive why didn't Jesus directly make this clear? Instead Jesus didn't seem to have any problem with women. Do you think Paul also would have allowed a woman to kiss his feet? I'm not so sure....

 

[tragic_pizza]

How exactly does nature declare that long hair is a shame?

Do the orthodox jews not also have long curly hair? Shouldn't they know their bible pretty well? If having long hair is such a shame why doesn't God already forbid it in the old testament? I guess if it was somewhere in the OT the jews would know it and obey it.

And why do women need a covering? Can they not simply wear a hat or a basecap if they want a covering? Somehow this sounds as if women are dumb.
It's same issue as with women having to cover their heads in church. What is this good for?

1Co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
1Co 11:8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
1Co 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
1Co 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

What does this mean? Because of the angels? Which angels? How is a piece of cotton supposed to help women against angels? Somehow this seems totally senseless to me.

I don't know but somehow Paul's teaching seem to be against women. How do we know that this isn't Paul's own stuff and that he simply had a problem with women? Jesus didn't seem to think of women as inferior. He also didn't tell them to cover their heads. Why? He was there. If it is God's strong will for women to cover their heads and to be submissive why didn't Jesus directly make this clear? Instead Jesus didn't seem to have any problem with women. Do you think Paul also would have allowed a woman to kiss his feet? I'm not so sure....

I think that, if you lived in first-century Corinth, you shouldn't have long hair if you're a male.

If you live in twenty-first century America, you shouldn't wear a dress if you're a male and not transgendered.

 

[Rufus_1611]

I figure that almighty God has no concern over how long someone's hairstyle is. Doesn't he have bigger fish to fry than worrying with that?

God doesn't care about hairstyle because He's too busy?

The God who numbers the hairs of your head, according to scripture, cares how long you keep those hairs.

"But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows." - Luke 12:7​

 

[Amy.G]

Wasn't long hair on a man part of a Nazarite vow? I think the hair length issue is one of cultural styles. I'm sure we've all seen men with short hair who were effeminate and women with long hair who dressed like men. I believe Paul was saying men should act like men and women should act like women. When I wear jeans and a t-shirt like my husband, I'm still feminine and he's still masculine.:saint:

 

[Rufus_1611]

Do the orthodox jews not also have long curly hair? Shouldn't they know their bible pretty well?

If they did, they would recognize who the Messiah is.

If having long hair is such a shame why doesn't God already forbid it in the old testament? I guess if it was somewhere in the OT the jews would know it and obey it.

The instructions for the wearing of side curls is found in the Talmud, not in the Bible.

I don't know but somehow Paul's teaching seem to be against women. How do we know that this isn't Paul's own stuff and that he simply had a problem with women? Jesus didn't seem to think of women as inferior. He also didn't tell them to cover their heads. Why? He was there. If it is God's strong will for women to cover their heads and to be submissive why didn't Jesus directly make this clear? Instead Jesus didn't seem to have any problem with women. Do you think Paul also would have allowed a woman to kiss his feet? I'm not so sure....

By the World's standards, Paul, and God for that matter, were chauvinists. We all have roles to play in God's kingdom. I have found that I often find out why God tells us to do things, after I've obeyed Him, rather than before.

 

[Allan]

Wasn't long hair on a man part of a Nazarite vow? I think the hair length issue is one of cultural styles. I'm sure we've all seen men with short hair who were effeminate and women with long hair who dressed like men. I believe Paul was saying men should act like men and women should act like women. When I wear jeans and a t-shirt like my husband, I'm still feminine and he's still masculine.:saint:

Yes, this is true. But it had absolutely NOTHING to do with Culture. This command was given to show this person vowed to set them selves aside for a specific time (as scripture states its max length) AND THEN they were to completely shave there heads bald. It is of Note that a woman could not take the Nazarite vow for some of its distinctions would be void upon her and when she was to shave her head it would be considered against that which God has in Nature already so ordered.

There is nothing wrong with pants or button up shirts on women if they were designed FOR women. Just as the robes of first century were gender designed. I completely agree that a woman should dress like a women (but modestly - and not personal preference) and that men should dress like Men (but modestly as well - yeah boys that means you to need to keep your shirts on and stay away from those hip tight jeans)

The length of hair was not a culture thing when it comes to scripture but GOD STATES for a man - long hair is a shame; and for a woman - long hair is her glory - but the converse is true as well. Men with short hair - it is a glory; and women with short hair - it is to her a shame.

However, if someone has long hair (man) I will point it out and allow God to deal with them. I have yet to speak with a man about having long hair (after a simple conversation and not rebuke) and them not cut it after just speaking with them once in 3 to 4 weeks of our talk - and no, I don't bring it back up. But that is just me. Women however I can't get to change their minds about it (short hair. :BangHead: :laugh: :laugh: But I still try.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

However, if someone has long hair (man) I will point it out and allow God to deal with them.

You think people don't know how long their own hair is. Quit being such a busybody and don't be surprised when someone tells you to MYOB. Worry about the log in your own eye.

 

[Amy.G]

Yes, this is true. But it had absolutely NOTHING to do with Culture.

Allan, Yes I know the Nazarite vow had nothing to do with cultural styles. My point was that it might be why some men may have had long hair. Guess I didn't make myself clear. :laugh: I think though, if we take the hair length issue literally I also shouldn't braid my hair or wear an ornament in it. I think it's hard to know for sure what length constitues long hair. Shoulder length? Waist length? My friends with short hair are definitely not masculine. And I would never question their love for the Lord based on their hair. Just offering thoughts. Not trying to argue. :saint:

 

[Jim1999]

The more vital question regarding Jesus' hair is, Did he part it on the right, left or in the centre? If it was curly, did he comb it out straight?

This is the very nonsense that Jesus addressed all during His short lifetime. When oh when will we get the message? There are far more important matters in the CHristian walk than whether I wear shoes, trainers, white socks or black.

Love you Jesus! Show me more of Yourself.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[TaterTot]

Did Jesus have long hair? Probably. Maybe He was black as well.

So?

I dont care if He was black, red or purple, long haired, short haired or bald - He is beautiful.