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Did Jesus own a house?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by rmodis, Feb 4, 2013.

  1. rmodis

    rmodis New Member

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    I have had this question come up recently, and I am not sure how to answer it given certain passages in the New Testament. I wanted to know if you all could help me out with your expertise. Thank you!
     
  2. preachinjesus

    preachinjesus Well-Known Member

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    We have no way of knowing.

    Probably not.
     
  3. SovereignMercy

    SovereignMercy New Member

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    I'll take what Jesus says over either of your speculations any day.

    And Jesus said to him, "Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay His head."
     
  4. Bob Alkire

    Bob Alkire New Member

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    Sounds good to me. I agree!
     
  5. Luke2427

    Luke2427 Active Member

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    Except that all this statement of yours is, is speculation about what that text means.


    This "I BELIEVE GOD!" mess needs to stop.

    God's word requires exegesis. Proof texting is the practice of small minded people. I am not saying you are small-minded. I do not know if this is your practice. I just know that you do it here. A person can do something on occasion and it not be his practice.

    But this conversation killing, debate dwindling, "I believe GOD!" nonsense that follows some silly proof text posting is beneath the dignity of a board supposedly designed for thoughtful Christians to tackle tough topics in a biblically sound manner.
     
  6. church mouse guy

    church mouse guy Well-Known Member

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    Isaiah 53:3 (KJV) He is despised

    He suffered nothing but humiliation in His life. Born in a smelly stable, called by the Jews to this day in the Talmud as an illegitimate child of a Roman soldier, forced to flee to Egypt as an infant, His family all turned against Him during His life on earth, unable to provide for His Mother at the Cross, buried in a borrowed tomb--the most hated man ever and now. The Romans gambled for his clothes.

    Psalms 50:10 (KJV) For every beast of the forest [is] mine, [and] the cattle upon a thousand hills.
    11 I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field [are] mine.
    12 If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world [is] mine, and the fulness thereof.
     
  7. SaggyWoman

    SaggyWoman Active Member

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    At minimum, he didn't have a pillow and bed.
     
  8. HAMel

    HAMel Well-Known Member

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    SovereignMercy, as you provided "Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay His head."

    rmodis, these type of question's provided to you put me in mind of the Scribes and Pharisees trying to trick up our Lord.

    Some speculate He had a wife. If so, His wife had no place to lay her head either.
     
  9. OldRegular

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    SovereignMercy presents Scripture to remove your doubts.
     
  10. OldRegular

    OldRegular Well-Known Member

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    Then instead of criticizing SovereignMercy and "usens who are unlearned" why don't you "exegete" the passage SovereignMercy quoted, in its context, and "eddicate all usens"?
     
  11. saturneptune

    saturneptune New Member

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    I agree. It is kind of a ridiculous notion, a thread that is based on Jesus Christ owning a worldly object, as this seems to defeat the purpose of His ministry. In reality, He owns all houses, and everything else that exists. Several of the patriarchs in the OT were wealthy for their day, and Scripture makes this quite clear.

    One could probably say that some of the disciples had houses, such as Peter, Andrew, John, James and Matthew. They financed their homes at the Synagauge Bank. Their terms were 10 years at 7.77% interest, which came to sixteen unblemished goats per month. When the bank went under, Judas took over the loans backed by silver.
     
  12. OldRegular

    OldRegular Well-Known Member

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    One of my favorites is:

    I have heard Verse 10 paraphrased as: "My father owns the cattle on a thousand hills."
     
  13. percho

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    Whose house was this?

    And it came to pass, in his reclining (at meat) in his house, that many tax-gatherers and sinners were reclining (at meat) with Jesus and his disciples, for there were many, and they followed him. YLT Mark 2:15
     
  14. DHK

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    If he just did it (according to you), then you just called him "small-minded," which is a personal attack. Please refrain from doing so.
     
  15. Luke2427

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    We have to begin with a recognition of the problem.

    You can't talk about the solution unless you FIRST recognize that there is a problem.

    He did this "I BELIEVE THE BIBLE!" mess after proof texting a passage and kind of arrogantly insulting the other poster for speculation when all SM did was SPECULATE himself about what a passage means.

    Adults who discuss the Bible do not just post a verse and say "THERE!! I BELIEVE THE BIBLE!!"

    Adults post the text, show it in its context, do the exegesis and make claims based on exegetical evidence that the text is saying what they purport.

    It is really very childish to simply post a text and say "I BELIEVE GOD!!"

    Can you not see in your mind a ten year old doing that?
     
  16. jeben

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    The house of Levi
     
  17. preachinjesus

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    Not inherently. One of the issues is that you're disregarding that at numerous places throughout the Gospels Jesus is referenced as having no belongings beyond that which is on His body at a given moment. I would say in a reading the Gospels and other NT literature that speaks to the economic condition of Jesus and His disciples, when we also understand the nature of itinerate first century rabbinical ministry, it is unlikely that He would have owned a home. In fact we might also point out that any home in which Jesus resided might not have been His own provided the nature of land ownership in this era.

    Perhaps more than any other point, it should be reinforced that Jesus' statement about not having a place to lay His head is not automatically referencing a domicile but could have a broader meaning about acceptance in His ethnic community and/or a larger statement about the simple nature of His itinerate ministry.

    This is why I have pointed out that we simply cannot know for certain anything about the economic condition of Jesus from the Gospel biographies as they are a kind of literature and genre that didn't need to provide those qualifications. As we consider the few pieces of evidence across the whole of the NT and cross-reference these issues with other data from the Second Temple time period it is less likely that He did, but we simply cannot say for sure.
     
  18. SaggyWoman

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    I think Jesus' father has a mansion...
     
  19. percho

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    I can buy that.
     
  20. Luke2427

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    Good post.

    I do not know if he owned a home or not, but I think the statement about foxes having no holes and what have you has to do with, as you noted, his itinerant ministry.

    Following him, that is the context of the verse, would require one to live much like a vagabond.

    That is the natural reading and quoting it and then saying "THERE! just believe God!" is not helpful.
     
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