Did you know that the KJV denies that we are the sons of God?

Then of course there are the places where the KJV actually ADDS words to the text, like adding the name Lucifer to a discussion about a Babylonian king, in the book of Isaiah. Point being....the story of the Bible is Jesus. The story of Jesus is found in ANY of the legitimate translations, KJV or "Modern". Some times we get so bogged down by the silly discussions and argments that we forget the main purpose of our being. Maybe that's why Paul counciled Titus to avoid meaningless discussions and controversies about the law, calling them "Meaningless and useless". The point always has been, is, and always will be the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

If you need a specific translation to prove your theology, you might want to recheck the validity of your theology.

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>This is one of the biggest fallacies that pervades theology today. You have suggested a hermeneutic in which there is no objective standard for meaning and Scripture means whatever someone wants it to. Your hermeneutic employed here is where the whole fallacy that started the "church=Israel" idea -- people believing that there was more in the text than could be seen. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, not really. The reason theologians for years before Darby believed that Spiritual Israel = the Church is because the NT tells us so - but that's for another board

Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation.
16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Thomas:
Then of course there are the places where the KJV actually ADDS words to the text, like adding the name Lucifer to a discussion about a Babylonian king, in the book of Isaiah.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is not exactly true. "Helel" is the Hebrew word for "Shining One" and was a title for the King of Babylon. The word "Lucifer" came from the Latin Vulgate because it was the closest Latin word that meant the same thing as the Hebrew word. They didn't really change the word or the word meaning as much as they did translate it into another language as close as possible. Now, they could have used one of three possibilities in the KJV: 1.) Helel...the original Hebrew word, 2.) Lucifer...the latin equivelant of the original Hebrew word, or 3.) Shining One...the English translation of the Original Hebrew word. In my opinion, any one of three would have been acceptable and faithful to the original Hebrew.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

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Paula

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pastor Larry:


Chris

Gal 5:16 does not equate Israel with the church ... but as you say that is a discussion for another place. The reason that whole issue started was because people couldn't accept that when the text said "Israel" it actually meant Israel. They said there has to be a deeper meaning than can be found in the words themselves -- a spiritual meaning. But alas, we are off track. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes - we'll have to get around to this topic in the theology board - but right now, and with finals and papers coming up soon, I just don't have the time!

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pastor Larry: As the author of my words, I can assure you what my intent was. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well then quit taking pot shots at the KJV and then hiding behind the NASB to back you up. The NASB does not support your case one iota.

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Well then quit taking pot shots at the KJV and then hiding behind the NASB to back you up. The NASB does not support your case one iota. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I love my KJV better than any other version out there and am convinced that most MV's do dull the word some. Some MV's more than others. But I think Pastor Larry's point is the same point your trying to make here. Taking pot shots at the MV's is the same as him taking pot shots at the KJV. In other words, it's like if you can't take it don't dish it out.


God speed.

 

Pastor Larry,

Did you plan this to happen this way?

Many of your opponents have unwittingly proved the thesis of your first post.

Amazing.

HankD

 

This thread has gotten too long, too acrimonious, and gotten nowhere. Let's close it. If you want to continue a discussion of a real issue, please feel free to open another topic. But, please, no more straw men topics.