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Discretion in sentencing sex offenders

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Joseph_Botwinick, Jul 13, 2005.

  1. Joseph_Botwinick

    Joseph_Botwinick <img src=/532.jpg>Banned

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    I have a proposal. I have even moderated this proposal to make it sound reasonable to you liberals:

    I propose that we take away all discretion in sentencing from the brain dead judges and define an absolute sentence for sexual molestation and rape:

    1st Offense: Life in Prison without parole.

    I know this seems harsh, but keep in mind that this is the moderated form of what I would like to see happen. What say you, Mr. and Mrs. America?

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  2. KenH

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    I think judges need to be able to used discretion in sentencing. I don't like the idea of "one sentence fits all".
     
  3. Joseph_Botwinick

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    I know a little girl and boy with the last name of Groene who would disagree with you on that one. Shasta has a voice to do so. Sadly, Dylan cannot voice his dissent. And then there's that whole Jessica Lunford girl who was buried alive after being brutalized by her repeat offender attacker. The judges are showing a lack of good judgement lately and kids are being brutalized and murdered because of it. In the meantime, the repeat offenders have blogs where they discuss their demons and how they are getting away with it.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  4. KenH

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    We need better judges.
     
  5. Joseph_Botwinick

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    Yes. But in the meantime, children are being brutalized and murdered by repeat offenders being let back out on the streets by these irresponsible, braindead judges. They need to be reigned in.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    I have no problem with Joseph's proposal.
     
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    I think the original proposal is too lenient.
     
  8. Joseph_Botwinick

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    I moderated my real proposal to gain more support from the soft on crime folks. Truthfully, I think they should recieve the needle for the first offense. If moderation will get these rat infested maggots away from our children, I am willing to do it.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  9. TaterTot

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    Good point, Joseph. Hard to love them kind of neighbors...and I actually have one. :(
     
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    Duncan Reportedly Bragged About Killings
     
  11. Joseph_Botwinick

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    Well. That didn't work too well. Go to Fox News and click on Bill O'Reilly's talking points. It is really worth watching tonight.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    convicted molesters and rapists should recieve the death penalty the first time around
     
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    Two teens go too far on their prom night, and the next day, after sobering up, the woman believes that the sex was not consensual. She was raped. Her date is tried under this new sentencing proposal.

    I would argue that life in prison without parole is not a reasonable punishment for this crime, assuming that the date was guilty. But, even more problematic, if this is the only punishment that could be handed out, a jury would be less likely to convict in cases like the above, or other similarly nuanced cases.

    The result: fewer sex offenders would be convicted.
     
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    A woman who works with our son Jon has a 16 year old son in jail until he's 21 for having sex (consensual) with his 15 year old girlfriend. The girl is only months younger than the boy and her parents 'caught' them and called police.

    The boy has never been in trouble in any way and now has been charged and convicted of statutory rape.
     
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    Good. He should rot there for the rest of his life.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    He said / she said: Most juries won't convict that right now with the current sentencing guidelines. Just ask Kobe. But, if the evidence could be shown that it was rape, i'd convict him in a heartbeat. If liberals are not willing to follow the law, then they should not be allowed on a jury. Further, I think juries and judges should be held legally accountable for decisions that are based on liberal emotions and not the law when the rat infested maggots go and kill / rape again.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    Wait a minute. A 16 year old boy has consensual sex with a 15 year old girl. For all we know she could be days away from turning 16 herself. And you say this boy should rot in jail for the rest of his life???

    What about the girl? Why shouldn't she also "rot in jail"???

    What if this were YOUR son? Would you still want him to rot in jail? I think not.
     
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    Mandatory sentencing is the result of the public's dissatisfaction with judicial sentencing, and is far too harsh in it’s leaning away from justice and to persecution.

    And stating that one believes in the death penelty for anyone, not convicted of murder, is wrong.
     
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    Re: the 16 y.o. boy and 15 y.o girl...

    They are both minor children. Are we to put 8 year olds in prison for playing "doctor"? Many statutory rape laws require the older party to be more than 3 years older than the younger.

    This all comes from the puritanical views of sex held by so many. The justice system is being abused in a case like this, where all it requires is teaching and parenting. This is also abuse of the kids.
     
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    Duncan Reportedly Bragged About Killings </font>[/QUOTE]What this story does NOT say is that Duncan, in his FIRST offence back in 1980, sodomized this other boy when Duncan was 16. We can see that Duncan was evil way back then but the courts only gave him 20 years.

    I agree with Joseph to a certain point. Duncan should have gotten at the very least, life w/o parole. Frankly he should have been executed back then.

    In the case Diane brings to this discussion, consesual sex is a completely different matter.

    I think we should abolish the plea bargain. This is the primary reason we are seeing such "softness" on all crimes. We should dump this mindset that we need to save money, therefore offer them a plea bargain. Saving prosecution money and other court costs by offering a plea to a lesser crime is insane.

    He said/she said sorts of crimes ought to be better handled as well, though I don't know how. The bible tells us any issue needs two or three witnesses. But I highly doubt if our society really cares about this.

    Life w/o is the very least we should do about monsters like Duncan. As for the 16 year old who has consensual yet the girl later regrets her decision and charges the boy, who can say for sure? Underage sex is illegal, but that age of consent varies from state to state. Where one state would call a 16 year old boy a sex offender, the next state wouldn't. I am not so sure how we should handle that problem.

    In HIS service;
    Jim
     
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