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Bingo, as Historical premil was the viewpoint held by many Christians before Augustine made A Mil the dominant view!

 

Can you show a verse that speaks of a reign on earth? A verse that says Jesus is on this earth in physical earthly Jerusalem?

 

Zechariah 14:16

 

This is a reference to re-establishing the feast of tabernacles in Jerusalem after the Jews return from exile, Worshipping the Lord of Hosts as the Jews were always suppose to.

I really didn’t see anything in the passage about the Messiah, new heavens/earth, thousand year reign and so on.

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All nations did not travel there at that time to worship with them!

 

This passage says nothing of a 1000 year reign, of the Messiah, of the 2nd coming, of a new earth.

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And yet you ignored the other 5 times verses 1-7 addresses the Millennial Kingdom. There are a number of events that also take place. Let's take a look at those:

1. v.2 Satan is bound for that time
2. v.3 at the end Satan is loosed
3. v.4 Saints that reign with Christ
4. v.5 rest of the dead lived at the finish of the Millennium
5. v.6 Saints reigning with Christ in the Millennium
6. v.7 Satan will be loosed

There is no doubt that there is reward for obedient suffering to be sure. That however does not negate a literal Millennium. Further, I have listed several events that will take place during that time which also sets up context.

He does. No one disputes that but again, that does not negate a literal Millennium and Christ ruling from the Davidic seat literally. Doing so doesn't diminish the fact that Christ rules eternally nor does it cause conflict with it.

Yes, as I have often said on this board context is king. There is a great amount of symbolism in Apocalyptic prophecy. However, that meaning of that symbolism is literal and not spiritualized. It represents something things or event that is literal.

 

We can disagree.

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Any belief that there is a separate future for Christians and Jews must account for the Eph passage that both Gentiles and Jews have been made into one new man by the work of Jesus on the cross.

That cannot be undone.

Perhaps you can help me understand this theology. Does it suppose National Israel will be re-established as a nation on earth with Jesus reigning as King? Does that mean the throne of Jesus is not in heaven but on earth? Does it teach the sacrifices in the temple will resume? Does it teach Jews will reign on earth while Christians are in heaven?

I tell you plainly, I want to be in heaven with Jesus. Nothing less will do.

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So you are saying non calvinists are not saved?

 

No, just that they really misunderstood how they were saved by God!

 

This page has a chart that highlights the differences between normative Dispensationalism and Normative Covenantalism Dispensationalism and Covenantalism: What are the differences?

 

Welcome to the BB and Merry Christmas.

The link is a good addition to the discussion, but has a couple of errors. First of all, a dispensation is not a "period of time" but a stewardship from God. How long the stewardship takes is not the main thing. Secondly, dispensationalists are very clear that the theology is doxological, putting God's glory first. However the chart has dispensationalism believing, "The purpose of God is to gather a people for himself." It is true that "a purpose" (singular) of God is to gather a people for Himself, but that purpose is for the glory of God.