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Dispensationalism

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by The Bible Answer Kid, Jun 25, 2005.

  1. ituttut

    ituttut New Member

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    I like to inform and be informed.

    Romans 3: 27-31:I read this as we (both Jew and Gentile)today can come Through Jesus Christ, who fulfilled the law, and we are dead to the law, for in Him we then establish (demonstrate) that law by our faith.

    In verse 30, "Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith" I see By faith they were circumcised, where we coming through Christ Jesus are circumcised and baptized without hands,Colossians 2:11.

    Also from another angle, how could any before Christ come Through His Faith in His Father to raise Him from the dead, or Through His Blood until it was Shed? They had to come By faith, for they didn't even know His name. They had to endure until the end By Faith the Father would save by His Mercy and Grace for God made a two-way covenant with His people, and made promises to them. Christian faith, ituttut Galatians 1:11-12
     
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    IMO both texts may be correctly translated as "by."
     
  3. OldRegular

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    Your posts above are essentially nonsense. Form what little is understandable you appear to assert that the Body of Jesus Christ is the Church and that the Bride of Jesus Christ is Israel. If that it is your contention it is totally false.

    In 2 Corinthians11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. Paul is obviously talking about the Church as the Bride of Jesus Christ. In Ephesians 5 Paul talks about the Church as the Bride of Jesus Christ.

    Your remarks from Reveletion are applicable to events that occur after the creation of the New Heavens and New earth. You also ignore that the twelve Apostles are presented as the foundations of the New Jerusalem, the Bride of Jesus Christ which is obviously the Church.

    Dispensationalism is in its death throes because its interpretation of Scripture is false. Hyper-dispensationalism is dead because it ignores most of Scripture and interprets what little it considers falsely.

    Once again there is only one Gospel, the Gospel that Jesus Christ and all the Apostles including Paul preached. To contend otherwise is heretical as Paul stated in Galatians

    I leave you to stew in your pathetically false doctrine [speaking kindly].

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  4. Paul33

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  5. ituttut

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    I don't, and I didn't disagree with you.
     
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    "I leave you to stew in your pathetically false doctrine [speaking kindly]."

    Not sure how you could say that was a kind comment no matter how many imonicons you use. IMHO of course.

    "Dispensationalism is in its death throes"

    [​IMG]

    Be sure to post the obituary here, if you are still alive that is [​IMG]

    You should live so long!

    Mean time while I wait for notice of the funeral I will [​IMG]

    [ July 20, 2005, 08:17 PM: Message edited by: exscentric ]
     
  7. Paul33

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    Dispensationalism is on its death bed, this is why LaHaye opened his pre-trib research center at LU. It was in reaction to the growing ground swell of post-trib teaching in evangelical and former dispensational circles!

    I for one will be pleased when we can put dispensational teaching to rest.
     
  8. UZThD

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    I like to inform and be informed.


    In verse 30, "Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith"


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    re Rom 3:30

    IMO, the use of the two prepositions is either but a rhetorical device with no intended difference (eg see, Cranfield, Murray, EF Harrison ) or the apostle uses ek to indicate source and dia agency (eg, see Robertson, Lenski). In either case, none of these exegetes find there what you do. But we both will believe what we will.
     
  9. ituttut

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    I’ll not do as you and slander any and everybody, calling them heretical. I only call you “confused” believing just like the Catholic church, and other’s that come from her, with some members building on the foundation of the Jew, which is on the foundation of Peter.
     
  10. ituttut

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    Believe as you will. He allows us to see what He will.
     
  11. ituttut

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    Very appropriate
     
  12. ituttut

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    No problem. You can do it right now.

    There are many that wish to dismiss Paul. If you really mean this, then never refer to him again, other than giving reference to him standing looking at, bringing on and allowing the stoning of Steven. Try it please, and see what you understand. You will understand the “law and the prophets”, and the gospel of John the Baptist. Remember, never ever quote PAUL again. Your wish will come true, being rid of Christ Jesus in heaven forever.
     
  13. Ed Edwards

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    Have i got a bargin for you [​IMG]
    at the pretribulation rapture/resurrection by Jesus
    at the end of the Dispensation of Grace, we will
    quit teaching God's Economy (AKA: 'dispensation'
    doctrine) as found in the Bible.

    Too bad you will have to go Home with Jesus
    with us ;)
     
  14. Paul33

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    No problem. You can do it right now.

    There are many that wish to dismiss Paul. If you really mean this, then never refer to him again, other than giving reference to him standing looking at, bringing on and allowing the stoning of Steven. Try it please, and see what you understand. You will understand the “law and the prophets”, and the gospel of John the Baptist. Remember, never ever quote PAUL again. Your wish will come true, being rid of Christ Jesus in heaven forever.
    </font>[/QUOTE]I have made it a general rule never to respond to you, but I've got to tell you, your last post was so absurd that I couldn't resist telling you.
     
  15. Paul33

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    Have i got a bargin for you [​IMG]
    at the pretribulation rapture/resurrection by Jesus
    at the end of the Dispensation of Grace, we will
    quit teaching God's Economy (AKA: 'dispensation'
    doctrine) as found in the Bible.

    Too bad you will have to go Home with Jesus
    with us ;)
    </font>[/QUOTE]Hey Ed,

    What did you think of the "two ages" of Jesus Christ? Pretty nifty, eh?

    This age and the age to come (eternity)!

    I'm with him!
     
  16. av1611jim

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    Funny aint it Paul?

    You and I are in agreement on another thread, but here we do disagree.

    I think a moderate dispensational approach to Scripture is valid.

    But some approaches which appear to be "hyper-dispensational" are clearly out there!

    TEE HEE (mocking ed)

    In HIS service;
    Jim
     
  17. Paul33

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    Jim,

    I would call myself a progressive dispensationalist with a post-trib view of the rapture.

    I'm just yanking Ed's chain.

    TEE HEE!
     
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    I understand now why you are hyper-dispensational. You can't understand more than one thought at a time. I wrote:
    Please show me where I said that the Church was not the Body of Jesus Christ.
     
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    ituttut

    The Apostle Paul is the one who said that anyone who taught that there was more than one Gospel was a heretic, at least he said let them be accursed.
     
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    I was going to quit responding yo your posts. However On reading the last two I noted that you had either grossly misrepresented some of my statements or lied about them. I may respond to all your lies and misrepresentations of my earlier posts, I may not. However I will say three things:

    1. I quit responding to posts by dispensationalists because it was useless and they took great delight in questioning the salvation of any one who was not a dispensationalist.

    2. There is only one people of God, those who have been redeemed by the blood of Jesus Christ. The Southern Baptist Faith and Message adopted by the Southern Baptist Convention in Atlanta, Georgia on June 14, 2000 writes of the Church in Section VI as follows: “The New Testament speaks also of the Church as the Body of Christ which includes all the redeemed of all the ages, believers from every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation.”

    3. Hyper-dispensationalism is gross error at best and heretical at worst and that is in essential agreement with those who call themselves dispensationalists. An example of the heretical teaching promulgated by you on this thread is that there is more than one Gospel. Those are not my words they are Paul's.
     
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