Divorce before conversion able to marry

[1689Dave]

The marriage is in the ritual before GOD, not in rituals before men. Pagans married in a temple of Zeus are not married BY God. "What GOD has joined together, let no man pull asunder" ... not "what MAN has joined together" ...

What of her second through fifth husbands? Jesus said nothing of them.
Jesus did not even tell her to leave the man she was living with, did He?
Jesus just called all sin as sin and offered forgiveness.
The woman responded by rejoicing in her new found freedom, not weeping under her old legal bondage.

So nobody but Christians are married?How about John the Baptist telling Herod it was sin to have his brother's wife? Where does it say marriages are performed by churches?

 

[agedman]

You are likening divorce to the unpardonable sin, and that's a YUGE gaffe. First off, the OP was talking about a lost person, and Paul said because the mind set on the flesh(in context this is the lost folk) is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.[Romans 8:7]

The lost are not subject to God's Law, and can not even begin to keep them. The bible does not take effect in one's life until AFTER they are saved. You are expecting the lost to live up to the righteous demands in the bible, when they can't. The only reason we can is because we have been imputed ALL of the Christ's righteousness, and the Father sees us through His Son.

All the lost live under is the Law, and they are condemned as Law breakers. However. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us--for it is written, “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE”-- [Galatians 3:13]

So, I will go with Paul and not some self-righteous Pharisee setting upon a Sanhedrin.

1). The lost are subject to God’s law -Romans states it is part of the fallen attributes done by “nature.”

2) The Word of God is effective no matter the state of belief.

 

[atpollard]

So nobody but Christians are married?How about John the Baptist telling Herod it was sin to have his brother's wife? Where does it say marriages are performed by churches?

• Everyone who worships the TRUE GOD is married by the TRUE GOD. (Adam, Noah, Abraham,Moses, Israelites, Jews, Samaritans, Christians)
• Breaking a marriage vow (to God) is a sin.
• Jesus forgives lots of sins.

I am responsible for setting someone on fire before I was saved. It is one of MANY sins that I committed. It is certainly far more harmful to another person than two unsaved people getting divorced. I am confident that God has forgiven my sin because of Jesus blood shed on the Cross.

That God would forgive me the permanent scarring of another human being, but refuse to forgive a failed marriage between two unsaved people seems ridiculous. However I object less to the "illogic" of it than I object to the "bondage" it places people under with no clear scriptural support for this sin being different from all other sins.

 

[1689Dave]

• Everyone who worships the TRUE GOD is married by the TRUE GOD. (Adam, Noah, Abraham,Moses, Israelites, Jews, Samaritans, Christians)
• Breaking a marriage vow (to God) is a sin.
• Jesus forgives lots of sins.

I am responsible for setting someone on fire before I was saved. It is one of MANY sins that I committed. It is certainly far more harmful to another person than two unsaved people getting divorced. I am confident that God has forgiven my sin because of Jesus blood shed on the Cross.

That God would forgive me the permanent scarring of another human being, but refuse to forgive a failed marriage between two unsaved people seems ridiculous. However I object less to the "illogic" of it than I object to the "bondage" it places people under with no clear scriptural support for this sin being different from all other sins.

But you repented from doing that. You cannot continue in adultery any more than you can continue lighting people on fire.

 

[atpollard]

But you repented from doing that. You cannot continue in adultery any more than you can continue lighting people on fire.

I cannot "un-burn" the person.
Most cannot "un-divorce" their ex-spouse (especially if one or both may have remarried).

You are calling for restitution, not repentance.
That is US paying to right our sins.

 

[1689Dave]

I cannot "un-burn" the person.
Most cannot "un-divorce" their ex-spouse (especially if one or both may have remarried).

You are calling for restitution, not repentance.
That is US paying to right our sins.

Continuing in sin is sin. You must stop to be forgiven.

 

[atpollard]

Continuing in sin is sin. You must stop to be forgiven.

If I murdered someone, how do I stop being a murderer?
You are asking someone to stop being "divorced and remarried" before God can forgive them of the sin of getting divorced. So it would have been better to just fornicate ... God can forgive that sin.

Your position is just plain wrong. That is why there are no scriptural examples supporting it. The woman at the well was not sent back to her first husband BEFORE Jesus would forgive her.

 

[1689Dave]

If I murdered someone, how do I stop being a murderer?
You are asking someone to stop being "divorced and remarried" before God can forgive them of the sin of getting divorced. So it would have been better to just fornicate ... God can forgive that sin.

Your position is just plain wrong. That is why there are no scriptural examples supporting it. The woman at the well was not sent back to her first husband BEFORE Jesus would forgive her.

Repentance means you stop murdering and stop living in adultery.

 

[Yeshua1]

No, Divorce = separation. People are still married.

Not in sight of God if unconfessed/unrepentant adultery going on!

 

[Yeshua1]

If I murdered someone, how do I stop being a murderer?
You are asking someone to stop being "divorced and remarried" before God can forgive them of the sin of getting divorced. So it would have been better to just fornicate ... God can forgive that sin.

Your position is just plain wrong. That is why there are no scriptural examples supporting it. The woman at the well was not sent back to her first husband BEFORE Jesus would forgive her.

Yes, as he would have stated to her to marry that one, and divorce no more....

 

[Yeshua1]

No, because God's elect will not remain in any unpardonable sin. But remarriage = adultery to be repented of.

Even when God allows for it?

 

[Yeshua1]

You are likening divorce to the unpardonable sin, and that's a YUGE gaffe. First off, the OP was talking about a lost person, and Paul said because the mind set on the flesh(in context this is the lost folk) is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.[Romans 8:7]

The lost are not subject to God's Law, and can not even begin to keep them. The bible does not take effect in one's life until AFTER they are saved. You are expecting the lost to live up to the righteous demands in the bible, when they can't. The only reason we can is because we have been imputed ALL of the Christ's righteousness, and the Father sees us through His Son.

All the lost live under is the Law, and they are condemned as Law breakers. However. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us--for it is written, “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE”-- [Galatians 3:13]

So, I will go with Paul and not some self-righteous Pharisee setting upon a Sanhedrin.

The OP was, as you stated. what if a lost sinner got a divorc e, and now was saved, is remarriage axcceptabple to God? Yes per the scriptures, but no to many persons!

 

[Yeshua1]

If two non-Christians married then divorced and lets say one of them remarried. Then whilst stilled married are converted, what is the state of the remarried Christian? Des they have two wives/husbands, or is he/she committing adultery by staying with their second marriage?

Gues per some, have to divorce again and remarry the first one!

 

[Yeshua1]

Paul and Jesus considered pagan marriages valid. And pagans as being married. Jesus turned water into wine at a wedding/marriage.

Yes, valid, as he gave institution to all people, but the scriptures adress just the position of what to do after getting saved!

 

[Yeshua1]

How can God forgive sin unrepented of?

So a Christians would die in state of adultery and be lost?

 

[Yeshua1]

So we need not repent of adultery?

Yes, repent, confess it to the Lord, and then have God bless your remarriage, and make sure this one sticks!

 

[Yeshua1]

Adultery happens when you divorce or become divorced from your first spouse and remarry.

So you would live in perpetual adultery, and the blood of jesus cnnot wash away that unpardonable sin?

 

[Yeshua1]

Jesus said the man she was now with was not her husband. Meaning marriage is in the ritual and not in the physical relationship, which in this case was fornication.

Which is why needed to remarry amd make the realtionship legit.

 

[Yeshua1]

• Everyone who worships the TRUE GOD is married by the TRUE GOD. (Adam, Noah, Abraham,Moses, Israelites, Jews, Samaritans, Christians)
• Breaking a marriage vow (to God) is a sin.
• Jesus forgives lots of sins.

I am responsible for setting someone on fire before I was saved. It is one of MANY sins that I committed. It is certainly far more harmful to another person than two unsaved people getting divorced. I am confident that God has forgiven my sin because of Jesus blood shed on the Cross.

That God would forgive me the permanent scarring of another human being, but refuse to forgive a failed marriage between two unsaved people seems ridiculous. However I object less to the "illogic" of it than I object to the "bondage" it places people under with no clear scriptural support for this sin being different from all other sins.

Is divorce/remarriage the sin blood of jesus cannot cleanse than?

 

[1689Dave]

Which is why needed to remarry amd make the realtionship legit.

Remarriage after divorce is adultery.