Do You Admire Any Preachers...

[Mexdeaf]

Jesus still uses the KJV, or are you, I said, ARE YOU! saying the KJV isnt the word of God?

There you go making false assertions again. No one ever said the KJV isn't the Word of God. I dare you to show us ONE, just one post- that says such.

Jesus also uses the RSV, NIV, RV1960, Greek, Hebrew and even the Sign Language Bible. He, being God, is not as limited as some would like to make Him by insisting that he can only use one version in English today.

 

[TC]

Wow! I thought this was a thread on preachers? I like Charles Stanley, a local pastor named Alistair Begg

http://www.truthforlife.org/site/PageServer?pagename=abt_Alistair_Begg, and of course MY home church Pastor!

I listen to Alistair Begg occasionally. He is on M-F at 12:30 PM, but my schedule often conflicts. I like him and Charles Stanley. I have also listened to Ravi Zacharias and Woodrow Kroll.

 

[Lux et veritas]

While I use the KJV for private reading and public preaching, and would even, if forced, enter into a friendly debate over the issue, I can't distance myself from the arguments of HG on this thread far enough!

Here's my view. I believe the KJV (I prefer to call it the AV), is the best English translation we possess of the Word of God, but it is a translation that could certainly use some updating. I would quite appreciate an updating of language without changing the text. E.g. the verb endings from 'eth' to 's'.

Even in my pulpit reading, I often make those changes when reading. ("he works" instead of "he worketh"). In today's language there is no difference.

God is not limited to Elizabethan-style English. And neither ought we to be. However, other versions than the KJV have some changes that are very suspect and often lead to confusion.

I agree with Jim in his earlier post. The AV/KJV is without a doubt the most "preachable" Bible version. When doing expository, textual preaching, it shines supreme in our English language.

As for favorite preachers who use other versions, I would have to put Pastor Al Martin (now retired) on that list.

 

[Jim1999]

For preachers using other versions (other than KJV) I am hard-pressed. We were taught from the KJV at Toronto Baptist Seminary, and both Regular Baptist and Fellowship Baptist organizations followed the KJV. We were not KJV only, but we were in that era which faced Liberalism face-to-face, and the Bible one used stood out.

I have every version imaginable on my shelves for reference and free reading, including a few liberal versions, but stick to my old KJV. All my theological texts use the KJV, so you might say my theology is KJV,,,,,,,,,*smile*

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Rippon]

My great-grandfather Prescott was just a "dumb ol' country preacher" who didn't own anything but a KJV as far as the Bible goes and he died around 1914.

Maybe he doesn't rate anywhere on your totempole of prominent preachers, but from what I learned from his life is he was one of the best!

I guess he jist dont count!:godisgood:

Your great grandfather may have been a fine man a a fine preacher as well; but I did want to hear about notable preachers.

You really don't know about yourt particular ancestor here with respect to the KJV. He might very well have quoted passages from other versions in his studies -- even if as you claim -- he didn't own any other version but the KJV.

 

[franklinmonroe]

Wow! I thought this was a thread on preachers? I like Charles Stanley, a local pastor named Alistair Begg ...

It was started as a question primarily to KJVO BBers about which pre-1970s preachers that used other versions they might admire.

 

[Harold Garvey]

There you go making false assertions again. No one ever said the KJV isn't the Word of God. I dare you to show us ONE, just one post- that says such.

Jesus also uses the RSV, NIV, RV1960, Greek, Hebrew and even the Sign Language Bible. He, being God, is not as limited as some would like to make Him by insisting that he can only use one version in English today.

You said Jesus never used the KJV. Thank you for your reiteration.

God is not limited to His word but His word is limited to what he said.

Nothing new to what God has to say and it is already in printed form. God's word does have boundaries which some versions do violate.

I'll stick with the KJV.

 

[Harold Garvey]

Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, and Christian Science all used the KJV also.

The KJV is that; a version of scripture, subject to errors, misprints and changes in meanings. Only the original manuscripts are recognized as the veritable Word of God. That is all most of us are saying, and I have used nothing in the pulpit save my 1945 KJV.

Cheers,

Jim

OK, Jim, pull them up for the eye's inspection. How do you KNOW what you refer to as the original mss are without the very things you claim about the KJV?

Does anyone else see the veritable yo-yo effect here?

The devil uses the KJV and any other version he chooses so your point is rather pointless.

 

[Harold Garvey]

I've been a strict observer in this thread up until now. Your statement is patently false. I just went through this entire thread again. There isn't a single post that attacks the KJV. There are, however, numerous posts that attack KJVOism.

I will assume you're referring to the presumption that Jesus used Masoritic-type texts in his scriptural references (which is debatable, given that the Masoretes conducted their scribing between the 7th and 11th centuries). By your reckoning, Jesus used what would eventually become the Bishop's, Geneva, Tyndale, KJV, NKJV, ASV, Coverdale, Darby, Douay Rhiems, Quaker, RSV, ESV, Webster's, WYclif, and CEV Bibles.

There's no scriptural support for the concept that Jesus uses a particular translation.

Your opinion introduces the possibility that the word of God is lost in translations.

I will stick with the KJV.

 

[Harold Garvey]

While I use the KJV for private reading and public preaching, and would even, if forced, enter into a friendly debate over the issue, I can't distance myself from the arguments of HG on this thread far enough!

Here's my view. I believe the KJV (I prefer to call it the AV), is the best English translation we possess of the Word of God, but it is a translation that could certainly use some updating. I would quite appreciate an updating of language without changing the text. E.g. the verb endings from 'eth' to 's'.

Even in my pulpit reading, I often make those changes when reading. ("he works" instead of "he worketh"). In today's language there is no difference.

God is not limited to Elizabethan-style English. And neither ought we to be. However, other versions than the KJV have some changes that are very suspect and often lead to confusion.

I agree with Jim in his earlier post. The AV/KJV is without a doubt the most "preachable" Bible version. When doing expository, textual preaching, it shines supreme in our English language.

As for favorite preachers who use other versions, I would have to put Pastor Al Martin (now retired) on that list.

Then why did you just knock it with the suggestion the KJV needs updating?

Yo-yo intellectualism at work.

The "eth" was described to me as pretty much an eternal aspect of the verb in action where the "s" suggests a termination of the action as all life in the realm of mortality comes to and end.

I know this doesn't apply to every word that ends in "eth", but your complaint was over-ruled by your concurring the valdiity of the KJV for the purposes you described. Therefore your point is also pointless.

 

[Mexdeaf]

You said Jesus never used the KJV. Thank you for your reiteration.

He didn't- and you deny that? I should have stopped after Tom's comment. He was right and I'll stop now. Carry on in your delusions. Faretheewell.

 

[Harold Garvey]

For preachers using other versions (other than KJV) I am hard-pressed. We were taught from the KJV at Toronto Baptist Seminary, and both Regular Baptist and Fellowship Baptist organizations followed the KJV. We were not KJV only, but we were in that era which faced Liberalism face-to-face, and the Bible one used stood out.

I have every version imaginable on my shelves for reference and free reading, including a few liberal versions, but stick to my old KJV. All my theological texts use the KJV, so you might say my theology is KJV,,,,,,,,,*smile*

Cheers,

Jim

And for good reason coming from a man of your obvious age and wisdom.

I have other versions too, but I rarely consult them because before when I did it seemed strange to me and went against the ingrained wording I had come to know and love in the KJV.

I noticed similar words used but when they deviated, boy, did they ever seem to DEVIATE!

I did some close word studies on the different words and found the KJV words to be exhaustive in comparison to that which was lacking in essense and the newer words not as explanatory in their meaning.

I'll stick with the KJV, so I suppose if the preacher's admired in 2009 fit into this topic I would be a candidate for some, others would slit my throat.:thumbsup:

 

[Harold Garvey]

He didn't- and you deny that? I should have stopped after Tom's comment. He was right and I'll stop now. Carry on in your delusions. Faretheewell.

So there you go, Jesus definitely used the word of God. The KJV is the word of God. You say Jesus didn't use the word of God. I say Jesus used the word of God.:godisgood:

 

[Johnv]

Your opinion introduces the possibility that the word of God is lost in translations. I will stick with the KJV.

It's not an opinion, it is a fact that your statement "Jesus used the KJV" is patently false. By your reckoning, Jesus used what would eventually become the Bishop's, Geneva, Tyndale, KJV, NKJV, ASV, Coverdale, Darby, Douay Rhiems, Quaker, RSV, ESV, Webster's, Wyclif, and CEV Bibles. Jesus didn't use the KJV any more or less than any of the others.

In regards to the Word of God being "lost in translation", the existence of a sole translation does not guarantee that the translation in question is scripturally superior. Further, it espouses a certain level of xenophonia. This is evidenced by the fact that I am currently reading the Dutch state translation. Your KJVO position is that I should abandon my Dutch language bible in favor of the KJV, based on the notion that the KJV is the sole Word of God.

 

[Harold Garvey]

It's not an opinion, it is a fact that your statement "Jesus used the KJV" is patently false. By your reckoning, Jesus used what would eventually become the Bishop's, Geneva, Tyndale, KJV, NKJV, ASV, Coverdale, Darby, Douay Rhiems, Quaker, RSV, ESV, Webster's, Wyclif, and CEV Bibles. Jesus didn't use the KJV any more or less than any of the others.

So you think that Jesus used versions other than what is proven to be the word of God over other versions?

In regards to the Word of God being "lost in translation", the existence of a sole translation does not guarantee that the translation in question is scripturally superior.

The KJV does just what you decry it for.

Further, it espouses a certain level of xenophonia. This is evidenced by the fact that I am currently reading the Dutch state translation. Your KJVO position is that I should abandon my Dutch language bible in favor of the KJV, based on the notion that the KJV is the sole Word of God.

You insert a false idiom. Show me ONCE where I have ever said what you claim?

Show me something to merit this claim of xenophobia?

 

[Harold Garvey]

Beside I don't "question" the KJV as you do, I let it question me.

 

[sag38]

I don't question the word of God, I let it question me too. But, that has nothing to do with the KJV.

 

[Johnv]

So you think that Jesus used versions other than what is proven to be the word of God over other versions?

Your dodging the fact that you cannot assert the claim that Jesus used the KJV. But BY YOUR STANDARD, if Jesus used the KJV, then he cretainly also used the Bishop's, Geneva, Tyndale, KJV, NKJV, ASV, Coverdale, Darby, Douay Rhiems, Quaker, RSV, ESV, Webster's, Wyclif, and CEV Bibles. And that also includes my beloved Dutch Bible. You cannot by any stretch say that Jesus used the KJV, but not the Dutch bible.

The KJV does just what you decry it for.

If you look at my posts in this thead, I haven't made any specific comments about the KJV at all.

Show me ONCE where I have ever said what you claim? Show me something to merit this claim of xenophobia?

You've stated consistently on this board that the KJV is the sole Word of God today, to the point of excluding all other translations. You have not made the distinction to it being for the English language only. That is by categoric definition xenophobic.

Interestingly, just about any KJVO-as-doctrine argument falls apart when introducing the issue of other world languages.

 

[Jim1999]

I was prolly born closer to the KJV than you, and in England too boot, and I don't understand some of the language in the KJV. Some words are even backwards by to-day's definition compared to what they meant in 1611.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[ray Marshall]

In terms of modern preachers I like Charles Stanley and David Jeremiah. If there are any glaring problems with either of these 2, please let me know because I tend to watch a lot of their programming.

Also, what do you guys think of the Baptist Bible Hour|? From what I can gather they are Primitive Baptists.

Thanks,
Chris

The Baptist Bible Hour is a Primitive Baptist program. Elder Bradley has been on the Radio longer than any other program. Even when Elder Bradley was of a different order of doctrine. He was delivered from a work system and has been enjoying the Doctrines of Grace probably around the year of 1957-58. He has believed and preached the doctrines of GOD's souvereign grace sense that time period. Before that, he preached with a different order of Baptist. He went through a period of finding the truth of grace and his church went through many trials during his transition and he and several of his followers that seen and stood with him was re-baptised into the Primitive Baptist order, with much adversity from his former Baptist affiliation that he came out of. He has helped many to see and understand the doctrine of Grace which he began preaching before he became a member of the PB. He has been a well respective preacher and servant of GOD for many years now. His home church is located in the Cincinnati, Ohio and he started preaching on Radio, WCKY when he was with the other order at a young age. He has his program on several different radio stations scattered throughout the country. His program, The Baptist Bible hour is heard mostly on Sunday morning around 8-8:30, -9:00am on most of the radio station's Those that may be interested please dial him in for a message of GOD,s Souvereign Grace. I do not have a current listing of the stations that carry him in their programming.