Do you believe in disciplining children

Consider....Eli and his Sons in the Bible. a father who was to lazy to discipline his sons and they ended up wicked scroll down to the use of the ROD

http://www.thinkbible.net/study/ps15.htm

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Looking at the book ( which I am sure you checked out websites online and not the actual book which is over 300 pages long )and reading it is not the same. I have a hard time believing you went to a book store and ordered it in the last few days which is usually what you have to do since most book stores do not keep it in stock. I know I have given about 10 copies away.

The book never condones beatings and it uses more scripture than any parenting book I have ever seen, and it is very clear about all the aspects of child training. A tell tale sign you never even looked at it. You will have to be more specific if I am to believe you.

The author of the book and others like Dobsons is very clear to use the PROPER TOOL for the proper AGE ! a little switch on a small child with the PROPER force will not Hurt the child ! I used a small swith on my children when they were very little and it didn't even leave any marks and you only need about 2 switches. Again you guys are making this worse than it really is.

Again no one is clearly reading all the post but just want to argue against Gods word. amazing in one breath those who defend it, Condemn it in another.

[ October 21, 2005, 12:52 AM: Message edited by: Roguelet ]

 

What the Bible Says about Child Training
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Based on the concept that the Bible is sufficient to equip parents for the important job of raising their children. The result of years of experience, as well as many hours of personal Bible study, this book takes a no-nonsense, hands-on approach. Fugate provides practical tips to parents on how to lovingly yet biblically fulfill their God-given role without resorting to philosophy, psychology, sociology, or public opinion.

From the Back Cover:


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Being a parent is a difficult and often bewildering challenge. There are so many conflicting theories about child training that even the reputed "experts" disagree with each other.

The need for clear guidelines for parents to be successful in child training is dramatically evident in our world today. WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT...CHILD TRAINING will help parents to better understand their role and to discover the mechanics for successfully raising children. The unique aspect of this book is that the author accepts the Bible as absolute truth and infinitely superior to any human system of thinking. The system of child training presented herein has been used by over 100,000 families with dramatic results, thus providing the proof that testifies of all truth--IT WORKS!

J. Richard Fugate accepted Christ as his Savior in 1968 at the age of 28. Three years later he totally committed himself to serve God whenever he was called. Since then he has studied the Bible under several Dallas Theological Seminary graduates; learned Greek; and founded the Foundation for Biblical Research "to determine the one, true meaning of Scripture." All of Mr. Fugate's materials are based on that research.

Table of Contents:


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What Do I Do Now?
God's Promises to Parents
Parental Accountability
Principles of Authority
Parental Authority
Parental Responsibility
The Child's Nature
The Ages of a Child
What Child Training Means
Negative Training
The Two Facets of Child Training
What Control Means
Where Do I Begin?
Evaluating the Conflict
Rebellion
Chastisement
The Correct Use of Chastisement
Control Is Essential to Child Training
What Teaching Means
Punishment
Standards
Rebuke
Guilt and Confession
Forgiveness
Examples
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Published by: Foundation for Biblical Research
Number of Pages: 330
ISBN: 1-889700-13-4

 

Just like the word LOVE has many different meanings in the Greek so does the word ROD.

I found that the word translated " ROD " comes from shebet: meaning rod, staff, branch, offshoot, club, sceptre, or tribe. The rod is clearly set aside for punishment.

The Rod mentioned regarding the shepherd is a staff, which is a tool to giud the sheep if the sheep get out of line a swift WACK on the side helps him get back in line.

Thanks for that great example.

I am sorry to hear your book store won't be carring a book that has helped thousands of parents raise children fit for society and Gods kingdom

Again skimming a post or book doesn't help ones understanding of the true message a author is sending. I have found this to be true on message boards and my own husband who likes to read something fast when in a hurry but soon forgets or doesn't understand thoroughly what he just read

[ October 21, 2005, 01:16 AM: Message edited by: Roguelet ]

 

Ed I can't count how many times I have done the same thing they did with their 3 year old. I had two children who were very easy to deal with in this manner, all I had to do was direct them away from what I didn't want them touching NO problem. Or just tell them no and they listened.

I don't know how many times now that I have said Spanking is for DIRECT WILLFUL DISOBEDIECE

My other two were not so easly distracted or obeyed every time we said no, so RIGHT there that is willful disobedience that needed CORRECTING !

And like I said I do not how many times already that SPANKING should be done ONLY for this reason and it doesn't have to be often and if done consistantly should reap results sooner than not spanking would.

You all can do the best to attack all you want. If just one parent reads this and gets something good out of it and reads the book. It is all worth it. I am writing for that parent

[ October 21, 2005, 01:21 AM: Message edited by: Roguelet ]

 

Thankful wrote

Saying spanking is wrong is saying in a round about way Gods didn't mean what he said. Sorry but that is a fact not an opinion.

But you can put your words in my mouth and change its meaning and misquote me

My " opinion " is the same as the aurthor of the book mentioned, many pastors I personally have known, James Dobson, John Macarthur, Chuck Swindal, and Dr. Bob who's " opinion " you DO respect. Which I am sure he too has the SAME " opinion " since he too highly recommends the book.

Why do you respect these but not me ? I am just repeating what I have read, heard and practiced. And have seen it to work in my family life and others.

 

Are there any scripture verses for this " Opinion "

I have seen Godly parents whose kids went astray and didn't live Godly lives. I have seen horrible parent who didn't live Godly lives have Godly children when older.

being an example isn't enough, there are way to many aspects to child rearing ALL of which are mentioned in the book. Being an example is a great one among many.

Didn't Adam and Eve have the best example.... God.... and didn't they have the best enviorment.... the garden of Eve ? and yet the Bible talks about one of their children who went horribly wrong ?

 

I have a hard time that you know anyone personally on this board. You can take their word for it I'm sure, but really know for sure how their kids turned out or how much they struggled raising them ? I doubt it.

Oklahoma, Florida, Indiana, California, Wyoming, etc. etc. PLEEEZE

Again we go back to Gods word and what he has to say about child training. not peoples "opinion" on a message board.

If Pastors and well known ones at that are saying the same thing I have said on here I would take their word on what Gods word says than peoples opinions on a board that refect the loose liberal media and Dr. Spock. Sorry