do you ever apologize, just to keep peace?

The part I re-posted above is the part that I hoped would be understood. The first part shouldn't have stopped you from getting to the meat of the matter. But it did, it took you on a detour.

Regarding my previous post: There are many here who were able to read between the lines without exhaustive information. And to them I am grateful. But, to you and others, Because I speak more with my heart than my head, I didn't detail the sermon enough for you to see the lesson I was trying to show. You got stopped by the words, Just like you did with this quote. You missed the lesson, You took a detour. And I take responsibility for it.

The lesson my Pastor taught was to prefer others over ourselves, to show grace, to be humble, and to bare all things, as love is supposed to do.

To bare means to put up with. To shoulder burdens intead of unloading them to satisfy ourselves. To not need to be right all the time because we need to satisfy ourselves, especially not to the destruction of another person preferring ourselves over them.

I never meant to imply the thought "Lie to make peace" And I am so sorry that it was taken that way. My fault. You see Diane, I don't believe in lying either. We are in agreement. But my post wasn't meant to speak about the topic of lying in the first place. That was a detour

I am more of a "speak with my heart" person than a "speak with my head" person. I hope you will consider that fact when you read this and take it the way that I took it, and the way that I mean it. When we (believers) fight amongst ourselves, we open a door to Satan, and he uses it to his advantage.

I am praying that we can communicate with each other, assuming the best, and not the worst. Preferring Christian unity over a need to be right. Will you meet me half way on this? This is my olive branch. I am slamming the door on Satan.

In Christ,
Laurenda

 

Except that Hitlers intentions were evil. His intention was to rid the world of the Jews, people who opposed him, the Jehovah's witnesses, the mentally insane, old people, homosexuals, etc. I believe he was insane. Crimanally insane. You are right, he may very well have thought his intentions were good, and that may very well be why the last part of the quote applies to him as well.

Did you watch that mini-series. I found it startling how similar some of his actions were to Sadaam Hussein. The part about killing even his freinds who disagreed with him. SH did that too. It's well documented.

And Kate, I know that you have been very angry and upset with me lately. I don't want you to be. I am sorry for anything I have done to make you feel this way and anything that you feel I have done as well.

Are you willing to slam the door on Satan? This is my olive branch to you. I want us as Sisters in Christ to love each other with Christ's love, and put the hurts of the past in His hands.

In Christ,
Laurenda

 

Thank You Christine. It was, and it usually does make us laugh.

Nevertheless, I wish because of how it was taken here, that I had never mentioned it.

Laurenda

 

I can relate to that Christine. I was raised pretty much the same way, and that is why when I noticed arguments and methods of dealing with arguments by my grandparents I paid attention. I resolved to the best of my ability to act accordingly when I married. As I said, I have not always done so but I do make an honest attempt.

On the same note, my grandfather never just let my grandmother have her way, nor do I in my marriage just concede to my wife's wishes for the sake of peace, yet I realize that her concerns are legitimate and should be considered in the best interest of our family. When we married her dad told her if she made her bed hard she must lay in it and he did not want to hear of our problems, my family said pretty much the same. We view this as being 'she and I' together, not me and not her trying to be king or queen.

As far as there being no evil, I don't think that anyone has forwarded that belief. Personally I think it is evil to teach people that there is a drug for depression, for anything imaginable that ails mankind, when all that ails him is his enmity against God.

Someone said the other day that it was a shame that our society is trying to put God out. This is not completely true. Society does not deny (as a whole) that there is a God. It is the Son which society of man wishes to deny not God. They accept 'a god' but not the way to God. This is the offense of the Cross. We know Hitler was evil, but Hitler even used the name of God to attempt to show justification for what he did, after all the Jews were the people who crucified Christ, do you think Hitler ever received Christ?

A Lutheran pastor (began the work VOM voices of the martyrs) born a Jew in the Soviet Union, converted later in life by a converted Jew who prayed as he did that if Christ were true let a Jew be sent to him to show him, and then the converted Jew had prayed the Will of God be that he show his fellow Jew the truth of Christ, God met the two men and the second became a Lutheran pastor. After WWII all religious denominational leaders were gathered and explained that the message of the Bible was to be taught that Josef Stalin was Christ. One by one each man was asked to take an oath to affirm his teaching would be in line with this, the converted Jew stood and refused and spent 14 yrs in prisons because of it. Yeah, even the devil can speak the name of Christ, but he cannot say the truth of Christ, he can only use the name.

Also read the following:

The name of Jesus seems to not be what at the present has an authority over the powers of evil.

Here in this post, I do not believe anyone has denied the existence of evil.

JMHO.

God Bless.
Bro. Dallas Eaton

 

Wisdom Seeker I was so edified reading your humble appologies to Diane and Kate. I hope you are not discouraged that there was no response.

Just take comfort in knowing that you did your part to repair the relationship.

And know that I agree with you. When we argue amongst ourselves it makes Satan dance with glee.

God Bless You,
Charlotte

 

Charlotte, I don't spend much time reading posts. I generally only see Today's Active Topics which will display the latest post. I did not see this remark until I saw your remark. I was NOT ignoring Laurenda's remark. I said my peace and didn't pay much attention to this thread after that.

Laurenda said:

I was replying to what YOUR PASTOR said and not implying you lie. Your pastor said to say: I was wrong. You were right. I am sorry.

I would not want my husband to apologize and say he was wrong if it were not true. That would not mean anything to me. My point is that I'd rather Jim and I discuss an issue and agree to disagree than have him feel henpecked or forced to lie to shut me up! (NOT implying any of YOU do that but MY father and mother did and I hated to hear it!!)

So.... I don't know why you apologized. I disagreed with your preacher and said so. That's all. No apology needed!

Diane

 

I stopped my spring cleaning to add something.

Charlotte this is not junior high school. We are all adults. There are almost 6,000 members on this board from many different type churches. We are NOT going to agree on everything. If we did, it would be pretty boring.

We need to stop worrying about he said, she said and being victims and either enjoy the discussions or stop reading them! When people start having to be careful whom they respond to they lose the joy of the fellowship. People ask a question and then get 'hurt' when you don't believe the very same way they do! That's not right!

I will not agree with people just to make them like me and I don't think most people will. Let's just have the discussions and either learn from each other or leave the words where they are.

Now, those dirty venetian blinds are waiting for me so I'm outta here! Somebody Stop Me! AGGGG!!!

Diane

 

Diane, I was referring to her appology to you.
I'm just edified that she had the humility to offer it to you.

I'm not sure what rehashing your side of the discussion could offer in the healing process. JMO.

As adults and not Junior High children as you put it, it should be much easier for us to be gracious to each other. You don't have to agree with what a person says to accept their appology for the hard feelings created by the disagreement.

When someone appologized for hard feelings, the gracious thing to do is accept it.

God Bless You,
Charlotte

[ May 22, 2003, 03:00 PM: Message edited by: Charlotte Marcel ]

 

And people don't need to apologize when someone doesn't agree with what they say! It's just our opinions!

Opinion: A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof:

Again, I disagreed with a remark made by her PREACHER. She apologized. Why? What did she do that called for an apology? And if I were to say, ok, you were wrong and I accept your apology I'd be lying! Just because I disagree doesn't mean her preacher is wrong. It's wrong for ME. She quoted a preacher. I disagreed with his thoughts. That's It.

People should NOT ask questions and then get upset when people give them honest answers! Laurenda asked a question. I answered the question truthfully according to my way of doing things and she apologized because we disagree. That apology is NOT necessary. Her way of doing things is HER business and not for me to judge!

Diane

Charlotte, didn't your mother teach you also that gossip is sinful? Running right to the other thread to try and start trouble. Shame! Shame!

 

I apologized for hard feelings and for not giving enough information.

I never asked you or anyone a question. I offered a light hearted anecdote about forgiveness and humility and you misunderstood it to advocate lying. Which I tried to explain was not what I meant.

I never apologized to you because we disagree about lying? Why would I since we agree on that subject?

Yes, I apologized out of a humble heart, hoping to keep the peace. Not a bad illustration in line with the topic of this thread.

editted for spelling And because I had to recreate the post after it disappeared.

[ May 22, 2003, 06:54 PM: Message edited by: Wisdom Seeker ]

 

Thank you Charolotte for the encouraging words. I was only trying to do the Christian thing.

 

Laurenda, you did not owe me an apology because I had no hard feelings and you did not do or say anything that called for an apology!! I answered the question Do you apologise....' and we had a different take on how to handle something. That is all I saw! You did not respond to me in a way that called for an apology. NEVER were you rude or ugly, quick to answer or curt.

So, no apology needed because your tone of voice and answer was never rude or upsetting! PLEASE do not feel the need to apologize to me. I was NOT upset. I read the thread while it was super active and then when it wasn't on the active topic sheet I forgot all about it. That is the honest truth.

I'm really sorry if I made you feel you had done something wrong! I certainly did NOT mean to do that. You seem to have a very tender heart.

Diane

 

Thank You Diane. I really appreciate that.

Laurenda