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Do you Love YHVH?

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  1. Jason1

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    1Jn_4:8 The one who does not love does not know Elohim, for Elohim is love.
    1Jn_4:19 We love Him because He first loved us.

    How do we love Him?

    1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of Elohim, when we love Elohim and guard His commands.
    1Jn_5:3 For this is the love for Elohim, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy,
    Joh_14:15 “If you love Me, you shall guard My commands.
    Deu_6:5 “And you shall love יהוה your Elohim with all your heart, and with all your being, and with all your might.
    Deu 6:6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
    Lev 19:18 ‘Do not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the children of your people. And you shall love your neighbour as yourself. I am יYHVH
    Deu_5:10 but showing kindness to thousands, to those who love Me and guard My commands.
    Deu_7:9 “And you shall know that יהוה your Elohim, He is Elohim, the trustworthy Ěl guarding covenant and kindness for a thousand generations with those who love Him, and those who guard His commands,
    Deu_10:19 “And you shall love the stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Mitsrayim.
    Deu_11:22 ‘For if you diligently guard all these commands which I command you, to do it, to love יהוה your Elohim, to walk in all His ways, and to cling to Him,​

    So we see that by obeying the commands of YHVH we love him. Jesus came preaching the same commands (His Father's Words). Love is no new concept and is from the beginning.

    How do we not love Him?


    Joh_14:24 “He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.​

    Conclusion: Obey torah - every command you can to show your love and dedication to the Father and His Sent One

    Luk_4:4 But Yeshua answered him, saying, “It has been written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of Elohim.’ ”​

    And please, don't forget this very important commandment so you LIVE:

    Exo_31:15 ‘Six days work is done, and on the seventh is a Sabbath of rest, set-apart to יYHVH Everyone doing work on the Sabbath day shall certainly be put to death.​
     
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    If your Galatians legalism weren't so sad, I'd laugh.
    Read John 21.
    "Simon, son of John, do you love me?"
     
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    Let me rephrase what you just said:

    "Your advocating obedience the the Creator is sad." - These are words of Satan the adversary. One who advocates disobedience HATES the Creator and is His enemy.

    Galations was all about judaism and their oral law, never to written law. Its easily provable if you'd like to get into this.

    Hos_8:12 I have written to him the great things of my law, but they were counted as a strange thing.
     
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    Poor rephrasing is incorrect. Let me rephrase your rephraisal.

    God's law is perfect. It shows me that I am a sinner and that my punishment is death.

    God's grace is greater than the law and by Jesus substitutionary atonement my debt has been paid in full for my past sins, my present sins and my future sins.

    Does this mean I continue in sin so that grace may abound? God forbid! Read the rest of Romans 6 for more...

    Galatians is written to condemn those who, being saved by grace, are teaching that you must obey all the law to remain saved. You are teaching like a condemned Galatian.

    Romans 6:1-14
    [1]Well then, should we keep on sinning so that God can show us more and more of his wonderful grace?
    [2]Of course not! Since we have died to sin, how can we continue to live in it?
    [3]Or have you forgotten that when we were joined with Christ Jesus in baptism, we joined him in his death?
    [4]For we died and were buried with Christ by baptism. And just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glorious power of the Father, now we also may live new lives.
    [5]Since we have been united with him in his death, we will also be raised to life as he was.
    [6]We know that our old sinful selves were crucified with Christ so that sin might lose its power in our lives. We are no longer slaves to sin.
    [7]For when we died with Christ we were set free from the power of sin.
    [8]And since we died with Christ, we know we will also live with him.
    [9]We are sure of this because Christ was raised from the dead, and he will never die again. Death no longer has any power over him.
    [10]When he died, he died once to break the power of sin. But now that he lives, he lives for the glory of God.
    [11]So you also should consider yourselves to be dead to the power of sin and alive to God through Christ Jesus.
    [12]Do not let sin control the way you live; do not give in to sinful desires.
    [13]Do not let any part of your body become an instrument of evil to serve sin. Instead, give yourselves completely to God, for you were dead, but now you have new life. So use your whole body as an instrument to do what is right for the glory of God.
    [14]Sin is no longer your master, for you no longer live under the requirements of the law. Instead, you live under the freedom of God’s grace.
     
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    Oh, we have a potential HUGE problem here. Lets go to Heb 10:

    Heb 10:26 For if we sin purposely after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a slaughter offering for sins
    Heb 10:27 but some fearsome anticipation of judgment, and a fierce fire which is about to consume the opponents.
    Heb 10:28 Anyone who has disregarded the Torah of Mosheh dies without compassion on the witness of two or three witnesses.
    Heb 10:29 How much worse punishment do you think shall he deserve who has trampled the Son of Elohim underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was set apart as common, and insulted the Spirit of favour?
    Can you see that if you willfully sin after the point of acceptance of Yeshua that the penalty is GREATER and the standard is GREATER?

    Here is another problem, galations is talking about not having to obey ORAL LAW - man made additions to torah. The church gets this so wrong and many fall.

    Rom 6:14 For sin shall not rule over you, for you are not under the law but under favour.
    This is a much better translation than yours on this verse. We are no longer "Under the law" which means the Condemnation of it (penalties), but we are not made free from its requirements. Those are satan's words to say it is not required.
     
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    You forgot the beginning of Hebrews 10. It helps with understanding the latter part of the chapter. Let us not live under fear of condemnation any longer. (Romans 8:1)

    Hebrews 10:1-10
    [1]The old system under the law of Moses was only a shadow, a dim preview of the good things to come, not the good things themselves. The sacrifices under that system were repeated again and again, year after year, but they were never able to provide perfect cleansing for those who came to worship.
    [2]If they could have provided perfect cleansing, the sacrifices would have stopped, for the worshipers would have been purified once for all time, and their feelings of guilt would have disappeared.
    [3]But instead, those sacrifices actually reminded them of their sins year after year.
    [4]For it is not possible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
    [5]That is why, when Christ came into the world, he said to God, “You did not want animal sacrifices or sin offerings. But you have given me a body to offer.
    [6]You were not pleased with burnt offerings or other offerings for sin.
    [7]Then I said, ‘Look, I have come to do your will, O God— as is written about me in the Scriptures.’”
    [8]First, Christ said, “You did not want animal sacrifices or sin offerings or burnt offerings or other offerings for sin, nor were you pleased with them” (though they are required by the law of Moses).
    [9]Then he said, “Look, I have come to do your will.” He cancels the first covenant in order to put the second into effect.
    [10]For God’s will was for us to be made holy by the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ, once for all time.

    You say this, but Galatians makes no such distinction. The emphasis comes from your own bias in an attempt to burden yourself under the law. You are doing what Paul says is anathema.
    The message is still the same. God's grace is greater than all our sins.
    Live in the joy of Christ's life where our sins are paid in full. Stop letting Satan bind you back under his slavery. You are now a slave to Christ and free from the bondage of sin and death.
     
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    How about believe in the Lord jesus in your heart, confess with your moutht that God raised him from the dead, and NOW are saved fully?
     
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    It does make many distinctions. I can show you a long chain of such in Paul's writings if you want the truth.

    You Sir, are in blasphemy now. You are calling YHVH's commandments/torah satan's slavery. You really better rethink this position.
     
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    LOL, Yes, Jason, share Paul's writings. But, if you do, make sure you share the context surrounding the verses you intend as a proof text for your pretext.

    I find your comments doubly funny when you claim that I called God's word slavery. I believe you struggle with comprehension.

    What does God's word say about the law? It says it is perfect. The law reveals how lawless we are. Break one law and you are forevermore a criminal. Yep, you and I are eternal criminals. We deserve to be put on a cross and crucified by God for our law breaking.
    Sin takes the good law and enslaved us in bondage. "Who will deliver me from this bondage of death?"
    Thanks be to Jesus! He has broken the power of sin and death.
    "There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus."

    Jason, serious question, are YOU in Christ Jesus? Do you want to remain condemned or do you want to be redeemed and released from your condemnation by the atoning work of Jesus Christ, YHWH himself?
    Jesus brought an end to the Mosaic Covenant and ushered in the New Covenant so that God's laws are written on my heart. I am free from the condemnation of the law and sin no longer has its chains around me. Why? Because Christ Jesus, YHWH himself, has set me free. The law will never save you, Jason. You will remain condemned to death. Stop trying to get free by following the law. Sin has bound you too tight. You will never be free. You need a Redeemer to come and save you from death, certain death.
    Taste and see that Yeshua sets you free and takes all your burdens and yoke upon himself. It is easy for Him and he offers you joyful freedom.

    May God extend his deep and abiding, joyfilled, grace to you and release you from your bitter struggles and burdens. You need no longer carry them. God will carry them all for you. He is that loving and that merciful. May this be the moment God redeems you. May all my brothers and sisters say "Amen" in agreement.

    Peace
     
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    That was a great sermon!

    Being in Jesus is accepting the redemption by His blood (buying us back to the Father) and now that the slate is clean we are to walk in newness of life (torah with a fresh start). This is the process of sanctification and becoming set-apart according to His word.

    Instead of throwing 20 scriptures at you, here is a great short video on galations and freedom. It is plain and simple explanation:

     
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    One scripture verse without context as a proof text for his pretext.

    Are you sure you want to hang your hat on a cult leader who condemns Christianity, Jason?

    As to your comments, indeed the moral laws of God are perfect for our walk with God and sanctification. The ceremonial laws are of no spiritual value, they were given by God, not to make a person holy, but to show Israel that they could never be perfect or have right standing by keeping the law. If Israel could not reach attainment by keeping the ceremonial laws, can we Christians expect to be more holy by applying the ceremonial laws to ourselvrs? No. The law shows us we can never be holy by trying to perfectly keep the law.

    God told Peter to eat all the meat on the blanket. Paul told us we are free to eat meat offered to idols. Just don't cause a weaker brother whose faith is not strong to stumble. Jason...you have been set free. Eat all the meat you want.

    God works the process of sanctification in us, not by demanding we obey the ceremonial laws, but by forging us in the fires of trial. Peter does a great job of explaining this in his letters.

    If you wish to know God's will for you regarding daily living, read 2 Peter 1:3-11.

    Jason, you never answered my question. Are you in Christ, YHWH himself? I pray God pours out His grace and removes your sins. Live in the joy of Yeshua's atonement.
     
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    Cult leader (har har). I guess a youtube channel makes you a leader.

    No spiritual value in ceremonial laws? I guess you don't understand the pattern of heaven which was shown to Moses. All of the law is spiritual (Rom 7:14).

    Unclean meats are still unclean. They even contain the same contaminants and worms as before. Read Peter in context because this was not the subject.

    Paul did not say we can eat meat offered to idols, he was saying if you don't know if it was then it shouldn't be on your conscious since they are nothing. Acts 15 told them to stay away from the pollution of idols.

    As we both stated before, ceremonial laws are suspended at this time since they cannot be performed. The 7th day sabbath is not ceremonial and can and should be performed today by real believers.

    Apparently you don't know what sin is (1 john 3:4) because you advocate changes in the law. This is grounds for being called least in the kingdom according to Yeshua. Please quit trying to teach this for your own soul's sake.

    Being "In Christ" has a whole different connotation to me than it does to you. I explained what it means to me and that includes eating his body (torah aka word) and his blood (redemptive work). This is echoed in Rev 14:12.
     
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    Yeshua, YHWH himself, fulfilled the law. As a Christian we are in Christ. Your comments betray you as a member of a cult that denies the deity of Yeshua and denies that Yeshua fulfilled the law. You are indeed following the same path as the Judaisers in Galatians whom Paul called anathema.
    Christians on this board who are in Christ will easily see through your heresy.
    Feel free to shut the gates to your compound.
     
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    One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God
    [Romans 14:5-6].

    Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day-- things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ [Colossians 2:16-17].
     
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    Fulfilling the law does not mean to end it. It is a hebrew idiom meaning to give a proper interpretation of. If you reread Matt 5:17-18 you will see that even Jesus says it is not ended.

    Judaisers wanted people to come in through "judaism". Mans rules. This is a whole different ball of wax.

    If you call following the written word a heresy then you should reexamine your beliefs.
     
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    Alcott, if you wish to know the truth of Rom 14, here is an excellent study: Romans 14: Who is the weak brother?

    As per your second verse, you are misreading it most likely. Let nobody judge you in HOW you keep it. Its not saying they aren't keeping it at all like the christian church teaches. These gentiles are new to obeying these things and Paul was saying don't let people judge you in how you perform it (like the judaisers). Again, scripture builds on scripture and Paul cannot undue a written command (which he never tried to do).
     
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    You are working really hard to get ceremonial and civic laws of the old covenant to apply to God's adopted children.

    Yeshua fulfilled all of the law. We are no longer bound to them as a means of having relationship and fellowship with him.
    If you want to bind yourself and perform flagellations of discipline upon yourself, in your compound, then knock yourself out. Just don't imagine that God demands it of His children for them to be in fellowship.
    Grace has always been the means of fellowship with God. The laws purpose was to judge and bring death. It has never been an instrument of life. Only Yeshua brings life to our dead spirit.
     
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    Thanks for revealing that you are not a part of Christianity, Jason. As I mentioned earlier, you are promoting a cult teaching that is heresy.
    Tell your buddy "David Koresh" that he can stay in the compound rather than share his heresy on youtube.
     
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    You are 100% wrong.

    The law's purpose was to make Israel be set-apart (Holy). That's what made them different from the other nations.

    Deu_4:6 “And you shall guard and do them, for this is your wisdom and your understanding before the eyes of the peoples who hear all these laws, and they shall say, ‘Only a wise and understanding people is this great nation!’
     
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    And here we see your cult expression. 100% wrong you say.

    I notice that not one have you acknowledged that Yeshua, Jesus, is in fact YHWH himself and he has fulfilled the law because we are incapable of doing it ourselves. Yeshua's propitiation for me has caused me to hit the mark that the law required. God's great and amazing grace is more than sufficient.
    You may go back to your compound at any time. Your foolish heresy is noted.
     
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