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Does “eternal life” equal “eternal security?”

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Craigbythesea, Mar 15, 2006.

  1. Craigbythesea

    Craigbythesea Active Member

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    We do not find the doctrine of eternal security being taught by anyone for the first 1,500 years of the Church, but we do find the doctrine of conditional security being taught by many during this time. Since the Protestant Reformation, the large majority of Bible scholars, pastors, and Christian lay people have continued to reject the doctrine of eternal security as a false doctrine and to hold to the doctrine of conditional security.

    The question for this thread is two fold,

    1. How were the “eternal life” passages in the Bible interpreted prior to the reformation?

    2. How have the “eternal life” passages been interpreted since the reformation by the large majority of Bible scholars, pastors, and Christian lay people who have continued to reject the doctrine of eternal security as a false doctrine and to hold to the doctrine of conditional security?

    Please limit your replies to these two questions.

    If you are KJVO, please do NOT post in this thread.
     
  2. Helen

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    At the end of Matthew 25, regarding the parable of the sheep and goats, Jesus says, "then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

    However long one is, that is how long the other one is.

    In the meantime, as far as eternal security is concerned, I don't care a bit what anyone other than God has said. He bought me and I am His. That's that. If I wander He will find me. If I get stubborn, He will discipline me. But nothing can separate me from Him and so I have no worries about that whatever.
     
  3. J.D.

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    Well I'm glad that I can finally be on the same side of an issue as Helen.

    Here's my answers to Craig's questions:

    #1: Don't know.
    #2: Don't care.

    And why should I care?
     
  4. J.D.

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    Oops, I wasn't supposed to post because I am KJVO. So much for open discussion. Are there any others you want to forbid to speak to you?
     
  5. Craigbythesea

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    Please limit your replies to the two questions asked.

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  6. Linda64

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    To say somebody can't post in this thread because they are KJV is wrong. This is a Baptist debate forum and should be open to all Baptists.
     
  7. Craigbythesea

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    PLEASE limit your replies to the two questions asked in the opening post.
     
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    1. How were the “eternal life” passages in the Bible interpreted prior to the reformation?

    They were seen just as they were written... that is, by those who believed the Words of Jesus Christ "He that believeth, hath eternal life." Granted, there were many who did not believe it, even while Christ walked the earth in a flesh body, but that did not negate the fact that the believer has eternal, no holds barred, life.

    2. How have the “eternal life” passages been interpreted since the reformation by the large majority of Bible scholars, pastors, and Christian lay people who have continued to reject the doctrine of eternal security as a false doctrine and to hold to the doctrine of conditional security?

    The answer to the first question applies here also.
     
  9. EdSutton

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    Well, I guess I can post, for I'm NOT KJVO, although I'm definitely a KJVO, NKJVO, KJVIIO, ASVO, RSVO, NIVO, MLBO, NWTO, TEVO, NASV-NTO, PhillipsO, nad Living LettersO. I'm also NT-MTO, aaaaaaaaand NT-(UBT)Owner. (The "a" here was an accident, but it looked good so I left it.) Also simpler to merely type in "O" than owner, at each stop.

    And it's not really necessary to have a snotty attitude. Isn't one per thread sufficicent? I always seem to run into one or more on about any thread so I don't bother to wear one. But I'll supply it here so some don't get lonesome! Having said that, I'll second both your answers.
    Ed
     
  10. Craigbythesea

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    How these passages were seen is not the question; the question is how were they interpreted. There is a very large amount of pre-Reformation literature which documents for a fact that prior to the reformation the “eternal life” passages in the Bible were not interpreted in a manner even remotely like they are today by most Baptists. The question is, how were they interpreted by the various pre-Reformation writers? The second question was,

    2. How have the “eternal life” passages been interpreted since the reformation by the large majority of Bible scholars, pastors, and Christian lay people who have continued to reject the doctrine of eternal security as a false doctrine and to hold to the doctrine of conditional security?

    There is a vast amount of post-Reformation literature on this subject. Please limit your replies to the question as asked in the opening post.

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  11. npetreley

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    Ditto. Unless someone can explain to me how you can have temporary eternal life, I don't care how anyone else has interpreted it.
     
  12. saturneptune

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    Amen to Ed, Helen, npet, standfirm and JD. The questions are irrelevant and nonsensical, and contribute nothing towards understanding God's Word.
     
  13. Helen

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    Craig, if you want to be a law unto yourself, best to start your own board.
     
  14. Linda64

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    AMEN Helen!! [​IMG]

    Seems as though every time somebody attempts to answer the questions in the OP, they are told:
     
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    oh and amen to linda also, didnt mean to leave you out [​IMG]
     
  16. Craigbythesea

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    Does “eternal life” equal “eternal security?” We do not find the doctrine of eternal security being taught by anyone for the first 1,500 years of the Church, but we do find the doctrine of conditional security being taught by many during this time. Since the Protestant Reformation, the large majority of Bible scholars, pastors, and Christian lay people have continued to reject the doctrine of eternal security as a false doctrine and to hold to the doctrine of conditional security.

    The question for this thread is two fold,

    1. How were the “eternal life” passages in the Bible interpreted prior to the reformation?

    2. How have the “eternal life” passages been interpreted since the reformation by the large majority of Bible scholars, pastors, and Christian lay people who have continued to reject the doctrine of eternal security as a false doctrine and to hold to the doctrine of conditional security?

    Please limit your replies to these two questions.

    If you are KJO, please do NOT post in this thread.
     
  17. Helen

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    1. By the Roman Catholic church, which taught that you had to keep up with them to be saved -- heresy.

    2. What a loaded question! OF COURSE THE PASSAGES HAVE BEEN INTERPRETED BY THOSE WHO "HAVE CONTINUED TO REJECT THE DOCTRINE OF ETERNAL SECURITY AS A FALSE DOCTRINE" AS INDICATING CONDITIONAL SECURITY! If they did not reject eternal security, then they would not interpret the passages as supporting conditional security! Your second question runs along the lines of "How many people who love chocolate want some chocolate?"

    If you think you are only conditionally saved, I'm really sorry. That must make you have to concentrate a WHOLE lot on yourself instead of loving God and loving others.

    For me, I have found that, knowing Christ has me fully safe in Him, I am free to forget myself and concentrate on Him and others.

    I like it better this way. After all, if my main worry is me, who else will want to? That would be an awfully lonely life...
     
  18. DeafPosttrib

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    Craigbythesea,

    You saying, if anyone is KJVO, please do not post this topic.

    Not neccessary to tell them, who are KJVO. KJOV people are welcome to discuss here, they need to know the truth to make them free.

    I am NOT a KJVO. I do use KJV always when I make posts I quote verses from KJV. But I do not worship KJV as my idol.

    Of course, I am aware of most KJVO are securists, most KJVOs are IFB. But you do NOT necessary to tell to anyone, who are KJVO are not allow to post here. That is a silly. Let KJVO person to be welcome here and make post, because I would like KJVO people to listen feedback and comment, and opening their min and heart listening each other with God's Word. To know the truth shall make them free.

    In Christ
    Rev. 22:20 -Amen!
     
  19. Craigbythesea

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    PLEASE limit your replies to the two questions asked in the opening post.

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  20. Ed Edwards

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    Crainbythesea: //We do not find the doctrine of eternal security being taught by anyone for the first 1,500 years of the Church, ... //

    Your first sentence is incorrect.
    Your whole topic is in error.

    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] Bested by a woman on the first response [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Craigbythesea: //1. How were the “eternal life” passages in the Bible interpreted prior to the reformation?//

    As Eternal Security of the Believer passages;
    just like in the New Tesament.

    Craigbythesea: 2. How have the “eternal life” passages been interpreted since the reformation by the large majority of Bible scholars, pastors, and Christian lay people ... ?//

    As Eternal Security of the Believer passages;
    just like in the New Tesament.
     
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