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Does God ever permit divorce?

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  1. sanderson1769

    sanderson1769 New Member

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    Does God ever permit divorce? I say absolutely not. To say that God permits divorce in certain circumstances (e.g. adultery, physical abuse, etc.) is situational ethics. God commands throughout the Bible to keep any vow that you make to God; consider the example of Jephthah who had to sacrifice his own daughter in order not to break a vow!

    It is atrocious that the statistics of divorce among Christians mirror those of the world. Preachers need to stand up and preach against divorce.

    This Wednesday night in my verse-by-verse preaching of Matthew 1, I explained the correlation of Joseph's "just" decision to put his wife away privily (before he knew that she was with child of the Holy Ghost) in light of Deuteronomy 24:1-2:

    http://www.faithfulwordbaptist.org/page5.html

    Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
    Mat 1:19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.

    Deu 24:1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.
    Deu 24:2 And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.

    The law given in Deuteronomy 24 permitting a woman to be divorced and remarried does not contradict Jesus' clear teaching in Matt 5:32 and Matt 19:19:

    Mat 5:31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
    Mat 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

    Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

    It is not a contradiction because the examples given in Matt 1 and in Deut 24 are both referring to people who get married but have not yet consumated the marriage. In Deut 24, the only reason given that a man can divorce his wife is if he goes to consumate the marriage and finds some uncleaness in her (i.e. lack of virginity) which corresponds to Joseph's decision based on his erroneous assumption that Mary had committed a sinful act and become pregnant.

    In our day, many people are even teaching that a divorced man can pastor a church!

    1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

    Some will say that this means one wife at a time because at that time culturally many men had multiple wives. However, later in the same book of the Bible Paul writes:

    1Ti 5:9 Let not a widow be taken into the number under threescore years old, having been the wife of one man,

    Don't tell me that this is talking about one husband at a time! Who in the world ever heard of a woman with two husbands at once! The teaching is clear that the reference in both cases is to 2 living spouses (i.e. divorce and remarriage).

    Sincerely,

    Pastor Steven L Anderson
    Faithful Word Baptist Church
    www.faithfulwordbaptist.org
     
    #1 sanderson1769, Apr 28, 2006
  2. pinoybaptist

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    originally by sanderson:
    uh-oh. better git ready ta run fo' yah foxhole,sanderson.
    you're gon' git a lotta flack, openin' this can of wrigglers.
     
    #2 pinoybaptist, Apr 28, 2006
  3. Seth&Mattsmom

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    I am not going to listen to your sermon, as I have 2 small children with big ears.

    I would like to know. If a woman with 2 black eyes, a busted lip, and a broken arm from your church came seeking spiritual guidance because her husband beat her, what would your counsel be?
     
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  4. USN2Pulpit

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    Seth&Mattsmom, this is the preacher that demolished a TV set during a sermon he preached.

    It is true that God hates divorce, but even the Master gave an exception:

    Why would Jesus mention this exception if divorce was never permisible?

    I'll admit - I listened to Tony Evans' sermon on the subject yesterday on the radio.
     
    #4 USN2Pulpit, Apr 28, 2006
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    At the end of your sermon, do you destroy a divorced person with a baseball bat?
     
    #5 rbell, Apr 28, 2006
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    When I saw his name I knew he had a sermon. As obserd as his sermons are theres lots of replys, but I don't think he cares, He never comes back to his threads to discuss his op or anyones replys. And he's always biblically off base.
     
    #6 donnA, Apr 28, 2006
  7. TaterTot

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    Well I aint gonna fuss with anyone here, but I do know that no where in Jephtha's story does it say that God ever required him to make or keep that rash vow he made.
     
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  8. Sularis

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    see according to the OT law - most cases for divorce may never have had to come up - because well the husbands or wives got killed for that kind of behaviour freeing the spouses to remarry.

    Our legal system however doesnt do that and as such causes this difficulty to exist.

    In the case of the beaten, battered, bloody and bruised woman - Im going to be unpopular here - but simply put - no no divorce - she should run like hell and never marry or trust another man - but no divorce

    And to be fair there are cases of battered husbands - but surprisingly they aren't mentioned because well they dont elicit as much emotional and protective response or sympathy. So anyone who forgets to post both groups but uses only one group to advance a "possible" "agenda". I gotta abandon my small "c" roots and go big fundementalist C on this one.

    they should run like hell too and never trust or marry another woman.

    You'll ask how can I be so unfeeling so cruel - and I'll bet someone says so unChristian - Ive been beaten up, I've been stoned (literally stones thrown at me), I've been name called, and Ive been betrayed by those who shouldn't have done so. Also have had Christians "jokingly" try to kill me or abandon me in different locations.

    While I am in no ways claiming to be as severely mistreated as abused wives or husbands - there are always options. Divorce isnt one of them.
     
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    [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Once again, this poster takes it to the extreme!
     
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    There are many more divorced men more qualified to pastor than you are.
    You may have missed a key word...WIDOW.
    If He permits you to pastor a church (which I don't believe you have any business doing), who are you to question what He permits?
     
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    Once again, this poster takes it to the extreme!     </font>[/QUOTE]It's called "hyper-Sandersonism" :D
     
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  12. Joshua Rhodes

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    Oh boy... the left forefinger thumbnail of God has spoken again! [​IMG]
     
    #12 Joshua Rhodes, Apr 28, 2006
  13. Petrel

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    ROFL! [​IMG]
     
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  14. All about Grace

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    In the words of the great theologian - Larry the cable guy: "That's funny. I don't care who you are."
     
    #14 All about Grace, Apr 28, 2006
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    I do believe the bible talks of exceptions for divorce: 1. Adultry and 2. unequally yoked (believer married to a non-believer)
     
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    And, in my opinion, a beaten woman (or man...there are a few women capable of beating their husbands but very few)....should divorce. I don't think she has grounds to remarry....but, God is the God of 2nd chances. If I had been beaten I woudln't want another man.....much less a "holier than thou" person telling me I can't divorce my husband to protect myself and/or children.
     
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  17. Hope of Glory

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    "Permit" and "approve" are two different things.

    For example, "May I drive 150 MPH up the highway?" No. "Can I drive 150 MPH up the highway?" Undoubtedly.
     
    #17 Hope of Glory, Apr 28, 2006
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    Not in this 49 pickup truck I can't!! [​IMG]
     
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  19. Magnetic Poles

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    Nice! How 'bout posting a photo of that classic!
     
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    Sanderson is calling Jesus a liar then. For in Matthew 5:32, Jesus shows a woman can be put away because of fornication. Sanderson is putting his word and his belief over Jesus Christ.
     
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