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Featured Does James disprove Free Will?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by 1689Dave, Jun 26, 2020.

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  1. HankD

    HankD Well-Known Member
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    how can we be "Totally" depraved if we are in the image and likeness of God?

    is the image and likeness of God depraved in the slightest?
     
    #21 HankD, Jun 27, 2020
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    Is God sinful? Are we?
     
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    You did not answer my question.

    lf we are made in His image and likeness how can we be TOTALLY depraved?
     
    #23 HankD, Jun 27, 2020
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    Totally depraved versions of the original?
     
    #24 1689Dave, Jun 27, 2020
  5. HankD

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    you are dodging the question.
     
    #25 HankD, Jun 27, 2020
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    Sin destroys the image of God in people.
     
    #26 1689Dave, Jun 27, 2020
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    The entire universe was cursed at the fall. You cut the context because 1689 was saying that total depravity equaled no free will. Clearly, we have free will but free will does not mean that we don't sin by thought, word and deed.
     
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    No.
     
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    Just because one is saved does not mean that one is sin free.
     
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    That's why you don't have free will in the absolute sense.
     
    #30 1689Dave, Jun 27, 2020
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    Then he is lying? Can you control your tongue when he says you cannot?
     
    #31 1689Dave, Jun 27, 2020
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    For a group of people who are adamant that free-will doesn't exist and that all things down to the atom are predestinated of God from eternity past, you Calvinist brethren are inexplicably consumed by a desire to change our minds...
     
    #32 George Antonios, Jun 27, 2020
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    chapter/verse please.
     
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    we are talking two different points of theology.
     
    #34 HankD, Jun 27, 2020
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    original what Dave?
     
    #35 HankD, Jun 27, 2020
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    You could remove it.
     
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    None righteous?
     
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    We are not. We are in Adam's image and likeness. Genesis 5:3

    3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:

    Seth was born after the fall, and Adam was spiritually separated from God. A sinner, born to a sinner.
     
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    Removing your tongue is not being righteous, but foolish. You are the one saying if we can control our tongue, it would prove James wrong. Is that your opinion, or written in stone, somewhere?
     
    #39 timtofly, Jun 27, 2020
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    God made us for his glory. Sin ruins his image in us.
     
    #40 1689Dave, Jun 27, 2020
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