Does Protestant America in ANY way resemble YHWH-Elohim?

==I'm not sure "Protestant America", whatever that is, ever resembled "God-like-ness". This country, like all other countries, is guilty of many sins (slavery, stealing land from the natives, abortion, homosexuality, pride, etc). The United States of America is a country like any other and, like in other countries, each person will be judged by his/her own personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

Btw...I find it interesting that you left out many wars that America has done very well in. The reasons we are having trouble in Iraq are political and not military. Our military could roll over Iraq tonight if they were allowed to do so.

 

Thank you, Martin. Right on target.

This nation never has resembled YHWH-Elohim. We were once a nation of Christians, but that is long gone.

The best we can hope for now is the Rapture.

 

So is the evangelical capital, Colorado Springs.

So I guess South Dakota if half a state? Or North Carolina? How 'bout West Virginia? Is it not now a full state in its own right?

What, pray tell, is "Protestant America"? We have no national religion.

 

We rightly have no government mandated religion - a state church - but we have been mostly a nation of professed Christians although the evidence of that in public view seems to be rapidly diminishing. We seem shy to even proclaim ourselves a Christian nation out of fear we might insult those among us - rightly free to believe and practice what they wish - who are not. On the one hand, we seem to desire a completely secular public society, yet on the other, one that embraces every other belief save Christianity. We seem to desire that Christianity be confined within the walls of churches one day per week with no mention in any other venue. This seems very obvious even in my own lifetime.

 

Your anti-Catholic ranting loses you points. You must be reading too many Chick tracts.

As for your correllation, there is also a correlation between girls who have drunk milk and those who have gotten pregnant. So what?

 

==O, yes it can. Slavery was an issue back during the second constitutional convention and it was an issue shortly after Washington took office as president. Both times it was decided that nothing should be done. Yea, they had their reasons and some of those reasons were legitimate concerns, but the fact remains that slavery was something that this country (mainly the south) was guilty of for many, many years. We can go from the colonial times all the way up through the antebellum period and the Civil War. Slavery was a reality in this country and this country is guilty of that horrible crime. Period. Denying the sin does not remove the sin.

The logic you are using above would be like saying that if America outlawed abortion tomorrow that the country could not be "collectively can't be blamed" since the country ended it "all by itself". That logic does not work with abortion and it certainly does not work with the sin of slavery in early America.

==Yes, some did pay (William Penn (Quaker), Roger Williams (Separatist) worked out a deal, etc) but not all. You should examine Roger Williams arguments on this when he was in Massachusetts Bay.

==I doubt many of the natives viewed what happened to them in that positive of light. Yes there were natives who made deals with the English and made money off those deals (Massasoit at Pokanoket is one example). However there were others who did not like the results of those deals (King Philip: son of Massasoit).

==You think that did not happen in America? What about the natives who were kidnapped and taken to Europe as slaves? What about the Africans who were bought to America as slaves? My point is not to bash America, this is a great country, but simply to say that we have always been far from sinless. We have certainly never been a "Christian" nation. That is because the Bible does not teach such an idea and because many times America's behavior has been far from Christian. Just look to the comments of John Wesley, William Wilberforce, or John Newton on slavery in England and America.

==I am not pulling America down. I am citing actual historical events. You can deny history until you are blue in the face but that does not change its facts. Part of weakness, by the way, is denying the facts.

==The Puritans had New England for sure but there system was far from perfect. Again I point you to the arguments made by Roger Williams.

==That is highly questionable. Quoting stats is rarely proof of anything. There is a book out there about "lying with statistics" you know. To prove that the rise of Catholicism in America is connected to the rise of homosexuality you will have to provide solid evidence. Actually, I would argue, that the rise of homosexuality in America is more closely connected to the rise of secularism, post-modernism, and individualism. I would base this, in part, on Romans 1 and the fact that the homosexual movement is firmly ground in each of the things I mentioned above.

 

AMEN!.......