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Does the act of baptizing someone carry authority over them?

Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by SaggyWoman, Jun 21, 2005.

  1. SaggyWoman

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    What do you think?
     
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    No - If it did, it would mean John the Baptist had authority over Christ.
     
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    Why can't all replies be as short and sweet as for this post, where we all agree :D [​IMG]
     
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    Sorry, I cannot answer in a word.

    The question is riddled with ambiguities:

    1. Authority--spiritual?

    2. Authority--secular?--and/or both?

    3. What does the act itself authorize?

    4. Who has authority to perform the act?

    While the ordinance of baptism should be basically a yea/nay consideration, the concepts of baptismal regeneration and infant baptism have throughly muddled the doctrine. This discussion goes back about 1800 years.

    Selah,

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    Actually after due consideration, which I should have done before joining the throng, I would have to agree that there is some authority in the act of baptism.

    When the baptizer has a hand on the back of your head and one covering your nose and mouth and he has thrust you under the water, there is some authority at that moment.

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    Whatever you do, don't give up your day job :D
     
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    Does, the Bible saying, to baptizing a person is for by pastors ONLY???

    Does the Bible saying, a person MUST become membership of the church right after being baptized?

    In Christ
    Rev. 22:20 -Amen!
     
  14. exscentric

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    icthus "Whatever you do, don't give up your day job"

    To late I'm afraid :eek: I'm retired :)

    deafposttrib:

    Does, the Bible saying, to baptizing a person is for by pastors ONLY???

    Some believe this but I personally don't think it needs to be as long as it is under the guidance/approval of the church pastor.

    Does the Bible saying, a person MUST become membership of the church right after being baptized?

    Many believe that when you are baptized you are automatically a member of that church. Others feel that it is only a step of obedience and that the membership is separate from baptism.
     
  15. TexasSky

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    I think it says, "Go ye therefore unto all nations, teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost."

    So - I don't think it means only the ministers.

    If it does, would it also mean the great commission was only to the ministers?
     
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    The Great Commission--given to the New Testament Assemply only:

    1. Go--or send missionaries

    2. Preach--make disciples

    3. Baptize--those born again

    4. Teach--the Faith once for all delivered unto the saints.

    Mt. 28--end of the chapter.

    Selah,

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  17. OCC

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    No...but you do have their lives in your hands while you have them under the water.
     
  18. TexasSky

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    Brother James,

    Do you mean that you do not believe the Great Commission was meant for all Christians?
     
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    Nyet.

    Did John The Baptist have any authority over those whom he baptized, including JESUS?

    He had authority to baptize, which I believe any 'veteran' Christian has, and that was all. it was his PREACHING ABILITY which brought people to listen to him and to see the need to repent of their sins & show their repentance through public baptism. John always pointed to JESUS.
     
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    Who baptized the first Baptist?
     
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