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For You will not leave my soul in Hades,
Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption. Acts 2:27

“he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. Acts 2:31

Was Christ both soul and body raised, resurrected?

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
The soul that sinneth, it shall die.

But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: 1 Cor 15:13
But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 1 Cor 15:35

The soul that sinneth, it shall die.


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and having cried with a loud voice, Jesus said, 'Father, to Thy hands I commit my spirit <πνεῦμά);' and these things having said, he breathed forth the spirit. Lev 23:43

One nano of a second after Jesus said the above where was the spirit of Jesus, the spirit he breathed forth?

because Thou wilt not leave my soul <ψυχήν) to Hades, nor wilt Thou give Thy Kind One to see corruption; Acts 2:27
having foreseen, he did speak concerning the rising again of the Christ, that his soul <ψυχὴ) was not left to Hades, nor did his flesh < σὰρξ) see corruption. Acts 2:31 ----- Where was the spirit <πνεῦμά ) of Jesus at this time?
In that same nano of a second where was the soul of Jesus?
In that same nano of a second where was the body of flesh of Jesus? Where was it moved to a few hours later?

 

and having cried with a loud voice, Jesus said, 'Father, to Thy hands I commit my spirit <πνεῦμά);' and these things having said, he breathed forth the spirit. Luke 23:46

Lev 17:11 Darby for the soul of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that maketh atonement for the soul.

It is the blood that is given upon the altar. Why? Because there is something in the blood that makes the flesh, soul with life.
And that being?
Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;(lit. lives) and man became a living soul.
Genesis 7:21,22 and expire doth all flesh that is moving on the earth, among fowl, and among cattle, and among beasts, and among all the teeming things which are teeming on the earth, and all mankind; all in whose nostrils is breath of (spirit of lives) a living spirit -- of all that is in the dry land -- have died.

The living soul without the spirit becomes non living and the flesh corrupts away.

When Jesus breathed out his spirit unto the hands of the Father his soul was poured out unto death. Isa 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

What is in the blood that makes the flesh soul, living?

What returns to God at death?

 

The same thing that is born from above.

All of one.

IMHO The soul, living, either needs an earthly house of tabernacle or a house not made with hands with spirit.
A corruptible or incorruptible house sustained by spirit.

 

I'd like to offer another way to look at this topic, and a possible argument against "spiritual death" as a thing.

If Adam died "in the day" he ate of the fruit of the tree, it doesn't constrain the death to have occurred within 24 hours of the eating. "In the day" can mean "in the timeframe" or "in the era" that he ate of the fruit.

That being said, when God said "you will surely die", I think it can simply mean physical death, where the person ceases to be able to do anything, breathe, think, act, worship...anything.
[Isa 38:18 KJV] For the grave cannot praise thee, death can [not] celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.

The dead cease to be, at least in any sense that we can detect.

So how can we be called "dead in our trespasses and sins" while we are still alive? If we are destined for death with no hope of altering our path! Christ's death on the cross, and His bodily resurrection, give us hope, if we believe.

Thus, when we believe in Jesus Christ and receive His atonement, we are still destined for death, but also destined for life after death--our final destiny takes precedence. We have passed from death into life. Remember that this is a "hope", and assurance of salvation: [1Pe 1:3 KJV] Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
[1Th 4:13 KJV] But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

 

I’m a little confused by your statement. How can the two not have anything to do with each other?

I dealt with Paul’s statement, specifically, and my dealing is equally valid for either usage, as far as I can tell.

Are you saying Paul was NOT talking about spiritual death? Ok, then, you don’t need to deal with my contention regarding “dead in trespasses and sins”—you get to skip over it.


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Ok, I get what you’re saying. The question was one I expected others to ask, so I answered it up front. If death is almost exclusively talking about physical death, and yet Paul is talking about being dead while still physically alive ( the argument I’m asking you to consider), how does it make sense? My answer is that it makes sense if Paul means we are “as good as dead”.


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I’d appreciate references for such verses, if you could. One very probable interpretation of such sentiments is that we can’t gain salvation by striving in the flesh—we need the Spirit’s mindset.

But what is the Spirit’s mindset? How about love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, etc. Against such things there is no law.

Indeed we are to choose to do these things rather than the works of the flesh Gal 5:19-21.


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I saw your request for definitions. That's so important, imo.

Your passage says the "mind" set on flesh or the "mind" set on Spirit. Isn't one's "mind" the same as one's "spirit"? I think it is. So in essence, your passage can be read "for the spirit set on the flesh is death, but the spirit set on the Spirit is life and peace".

In either case, the spirit of the man is active, and activity is not indicative of a state of "spiritual death"--unless we redefine "death" to mean "active in a way that is displeasing to God" or some such.

This is my problem with the spiritual death concept--it depends on redefining "death" to mean something other than what we normally recognize as death, similar to what you posted here:

This makes plenty of sense to me, and if you are correct, when did it change?

You followed with this "Spiritual death is a state (those who have not been born of the Spirit lack Spiritual life). But there is no such a thing as dying spiritually", which I find interesting. Once again, our normal idea of "death" is not a "lack of life" but a "loss of life". Is there anything that is ever dead that wasn't ever alive? Babies that are "born dead" (or stillborn, another indication of death meaning inactivity) were at one time alive in the womb.

So if Adam ended his life in a spiritually dead state, surely he "died spiritually", right?

And if a man is not condemned for the sins of his father ([Eze 18:20 KJV] The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father...), and "all have sinned and come short of the glory of God", then it seems the problem is not "spiritual death" but a proclivity (nature?) to sin that brings on the penalty of death. Though the death appears to be a foregone conclusion even before sin after Adam. (Rom 5:14)