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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Calminian, Jun 19, 2018.

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  1. John of Japan

    John of Japan Well-Known Member
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    Let me put it this way. In the new version of the Japanese NT I am currently proofreading should we change John 2:10 from what we currently have it as (十分飲んだ, have drunk plenty) to 酔っぱらっている (are drunk)? You see, this matters when translating the Bible.
     
  2. Calminian

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    I don't think you should do any translating. You interpret using feelings and you'd like let them creep into your translating.
     
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  3. John of Japan

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    Well, you certainly did put your own feelings into the equation with your accusation that I have another Jesus.

    I don't think you understand my argument. I didn't make the claim that everyone there was drunk. My argument is strictly from the Greek, not my emotions or my doctrine. Methuo means "drunk" everywhere else in the NT. Please tell me why it doesn't mean "drunk" here. Or if you haven't been trained in Greek or linguistics, just say so and I'll let it go.
     
  4. John of Japan

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    It's too late. I've already translated the entire NT into Japanese from the Greek with my Japanese and missionary team.

    So again, deal with the Greek if you can. Tell me how to translate methuo.
     
  5. Calminian

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    All cults or false movements start with the premise, you can't trust your english bible. So typical.
     
  6. Calminian

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    I never said you had another Jesus. I simply said, if you don't like what Scripture says about him, you have no choice but to make up your own.

    You claimed Jesus was making wine for drunk people. If everyone wasn't drunk, your accusation against Jesus falls apart.
     
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  7. John of Japan

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    Folks, why do people get so emotional when discussing this subject?
    You misunderstand. The KJV is perfectly fine here. It gives an ambiguous rendering that can be interpreted as "drunk" or "have drunk." I'm not objecting to the English Bible.

    So, just admit you can't answer my question and move on. Admit you don't know the Greek and are kerflummuxed. :p You can't debate the subject with me, so...you decide to flee the subject by saying that actually looking at the original languages of the Bible produces cults. :Biggrin

    Does anyone besides me see how ridiculous that charge is?
     
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    Yeah, whatever. You dodged the issue.
    Nope. You still missed my argument completely. Nice trying to make you understand. My wife is probably here to pick me up, and we don't have Internet at home.
     
  9. Calminian

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    Just admit you're saying that Jesus was in sin if he created alcohol for a crowd that had some drunk people in it. It's a typical liberal accusation.
     
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    Then she saved you, cuz you were flailing badly with this argument.
     
  11. John of Japan

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    Nope, I'd be lying if I admitted what you say here.

    Just admit you can't handle or perhaps even understand the point I am making. :rolleyes:
     
  12. Calminian

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    What I did was take your argument to its logical conclusion. Your issue is not with language, but with logic. You can learn languages, but logic might never be your strong suit.
     
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    Looks like we have a new Van showing up on this discussion!
    Wants to discuss the finer points of Greek Grammar, and then it goes nowhere fast!
     
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    it has no merit.
    Also how impossible is it to NOT put one's feelings to some degree into the work of translating the NT if one is a believer.
     
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    Out of 5000 people fed at Bethsaida, should we suppose that there were no gluttons, not a single person who ate to excess? Judging by the leftovers, the opportunity was there.
     
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  16. Calminian

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    Yes, fantastic point. So then, we have to assume Jesus wan't giving them real food. It was some sort of substitute non calorie food. Because Jesus would never encourage gluttony. :Rolleyes
     
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    I agree with JOJ in that the writer of this article doesn't seem to be scientifically literate. I wish I knew what study he's actually trying to describe and which enzyme he's talking about.

    It's hard to wade through some of the media's reports on research, especially when it comes to medicine. This guy doesn't know an enzyme from an organism, so it's best to move on to a more competent source.
     
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    was his version of Angel food cake.
     
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    Good...I would have gone out, got a 6 pack and had a beer in front of him and offered everyone a beer
     
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    There is a fine line between being a stumbling block to someone and that someone being legalistic. Pretty sure you would be crossing that line with this action.

    Sent from my Pixel 2 XL
     
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