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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Van, Mar 12, 2024.

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  1. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
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    Every Easter the usual suspects post their unfounded attacks on our traditional understanding of Easter, which is Christ was crucified on Friday and was laid in the tomb before Saturday began at around sundown of Friday. Christ spent part of Friday, all of Saturday and arose just at daylight on Sunday, which using inclusive counting is three days, and is consistent with the Hebrew idiom of "3 days and 3 nights."
     
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    You should've given us a 'spoiler alert', Van.
     
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    Eggsactly!!!... Scripture is plain, use scripture... Brother Glen:)

    Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three

    days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
     
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    Perhaps I’m not understanding; if he was crucified on Friday, taken off the cross and entombed/ buried on Friday ( 1 day ), then lying in the tomb on Saturday ( 2nd day ) and Finally resurrection ( walks outa da tomb— day 3). So where is the 3rd night?

    I do understand 3 days to resurrection but not 3 days & nights in the earth. Please advise.
     
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    The Jewish day date begins at its sundown. The previous day had ended.
    So our Thursday at sundown begins the Preparation Day before the Sabbath on our Friday evening at its sundown.
    Geneva Bible Mark 15:42, And nowe when the night was come (because it was the day of the preparation that is before the Sabbath) . . .
     
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    Does anyone think this poster does not know what the Hebrew idiom means as defined in scripture? :)

    Christ was crucified on Friday and was laid in the tomb before Saturday began at around sundown of Friday. Christ spent part of Friday, all of Saturday and arose just at daylight on Sunday, which using inclusive counting is three days, and is consistent with the Hebrew idiom of "3 days and 3 nights."
     
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    Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world. john 11:9

    I wonder if that's a Greek Idiom?
     
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    Oy … I forgot that the Jews celebrate days differently. Thanks for reminding me.
     
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    Why use non-biblical information, which may be in error, to support a needless premise, that Christ died in such and such a year.
    Stick to what the Bible says.
     
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    That depends upon the definition of "day". God's definition is:

    " And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."

    Literally understood by these terms...
    IF the Lord were crucified on a "Friday" and rose again on a "Sunday" ( note that the names of these days are not the same names that the Jews used for the days of the week, as these names are pagan in origin... in addition to their beginnings and endings ), He would not have been laid in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights. Crucified on our "Friday" (*) and laid in the tomb just before the evening and morning of the first day...

    (*) Keeping in mind that "days" are measured by Westerners as beginning at 12:00 midnight and ending at 12:00 midnight, but measured by Gentiles of other nations as beginning at sunrise and ending at sunrise, and measured by God as beginning at sundown and ending at sundown. )

    ...Gives Him:

    1) An evening and a morning = 1 day, by God's reckoning, not our reckoning.
    2) Each evening and morning, starting on our "Friday" evening, means He laid in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights. "Friday" night, "Saturday" night, and "Sunday" night.
    3) The "clock" started ticking when He was laid in the tomb, not when He was crucified... as He still hung on the cross until the 9th hour ( our 3:00 in the afternoon ) of the previous "day". In Jewish terms, the first hour of the day begins at our 06:00 a.m., the 6th hour coincides with our 12:00 noon, and the 9th hour coincides with our 3:00 p.m.

    The problem we are faced with in our thinking is the "conversion factor", since we as Gentiles ( and even more so as Westerners ) do not reckon days as God does.



     
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    @Earth Wind and Fire :

    Breaking it all down and converting it to Western standards, God's word states that Christ rose on the morning of the 3rd day...the tail end of God's day, not the beginning of God's "day". For the entire thing to coincide with our "Western" idea of a day, we have to take into account that an evening and a morning are a "day" in God's terms.

    Per common knowledge, the Jewish Sabbath is currently celebrated as our "Saturday", but it actually begins at sundown on our "Friday" evening.
    If the Lord rose again on "Sunday" ( our traditional "first day of the week" ), He could not have been crucified on "Friday"...but if He rose again on "Monday" ( our first workday of the week ), then it would all fit:

    1) Monday morning + Sunday night = day 3.
    2) Sunday morning + Saturday night = day 2
    3) Saturday morning + Friday night = day 1.

    No matter how we as Westerners define things, Christ could not have been crucified on "Friday" and risen again, only two full days later, on "Sunday" ( while still keeping "Saturday" as the Sabbath ), as this does not fit with the Scriptures.

    So...do we as Christians believe tradition, or do we believe God? :Cautious
     
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    Mark 14:12 is Biblical!
    The Jewish days begin with their evenings are Biblical, Exodus 12:18! The Jewish Preparation Day for the 7th day Sabbath begins our Thursday evening. The Jewish Sabbath begins our Friday evening.
     
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    Laugh out loud, none of these references say "In what year" Christ was crucified.
     
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    Note that belief in his doctrine is said to be a belief in God, but those who hold the mainstream view, why they do not believe in God, but rather only in man-made tradition.

    Every Easter the usual suspects post their unfounded attacks on our traditional understanding of Easter, which is Christ was crucified on Friday and was laid in the tomb before Saturday began at around sundown of Friday. Christ spent part of Friday, all of Saturday and arose just at daylight on Sunday, which using inclusive counting is three days, and is consistent with the Hebrew idiom of "3 days and 3 nights."
     
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    Correct. But the Moon's location on a certain day of the week depends on what year it was. There are a number of views as to what day the crucifixion took place. Friday is the long standing view. Our April 7th in 30 A.D.. Sr Issac Newton recalculated the date for April 3rd 33 A.D.. But Mark 14:12 was the 14th of the Jewish month, not the Friday. Mark 14:12-16 was the day before Christ was crucifird!
     
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    @Van,
    At issue. If the crucifixion date is fictional then that becomes an historical problem.
     
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    You are trying to rewrite scripture according to man-made information.
     
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    Spot on, you are trying to establish a crucifixion date not found in scripture.
     
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    A stupid falsehood. Mark 14:12 stands. . . . And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, . . . And Mark 14:17, And in the evening he cometh with the twelve.

    Jewish next days begin with there evenings.
     
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