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Effects in W/H textual criticisms

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Salamander, Feb 12, 2008.

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  1. Salamander

    Salamander New Member

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    The following is an excerpt from a letter written by the author stated. I understand his view, but isn't it very likely his statement is unjustified due to anyone who interprets the Bible, translates the Bible, etc. is very likely to insert their views into the translation, right?

    James D. Price, "We may disagree with Westcott and Hort on some of their doctrinal views, but their doctrinal views had little to do with the development of their method of textual criticism, a scientific method for deciding which readings of the Greek New Testament are most likely original. It is wrong to make a connection between their doctrinal views and their scientific methodology. Present day scholars, who accept their method of textual criticism, accept it on the basis of its scientific merit, not because they agree with their theology. So it is wrong to draw any theological connections between such scholars and Westcott and Hort--there is none. Many outstanding conservative pastors and scholars prefer the Westcott-Hort method of textual criticism but do not accept their doctrinal views. No New Age connections can be attributed to them."
     
    #1 Salamander, Feb 12, 2008
  2. TCGreek

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    W & H revolutionalized Textual Criticism, and despite their shortcomings, were used by God mightily. :thumbs:
     
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  3. Askjo

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    Do you mean that God used W & H?
     
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  4. TCGreek

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    Don't you think God used W & H?
     
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  5. Ed Edwards

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    God helped W&H in God's effort to preserve God's Holy Bible, the Written Words of God for the 21st century: the HCSB, Christian Standard Bible (Holman, 2003).

    Salamander in his O.P. (opening post):
    // ... anyone who interprets the Bible, translates the Bible, etc. is very likely to insert their views into the translation, right?//

    Probably Wrong.

    A few KJVOs say that the team of Translators who took the TR and translated these scriptures because they were some 50 strong - that those numbers assured that the translation was not only fair and without doctrinal error but perfect & inspired.

    But, of course, no way that all KJVOs speak with the same voice.

    -Ed,
    the KJVO#2: TR is double plus good! (not to mention inerrant)
     
    #5 Ed Edwards, Feb 12, 2008
  6. Salamander

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    To "re-confound" the languages?:wavey:
     
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  7. Salamander

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    "Yes", God wanted his word watered down and the doctrines of the Bible to come into question.:praying:

    W/H invented a form of textual criticism, which has proven to do exactly what the god of this world wanted.

    The arguement goes against those "pedo-baptizing monks/ anglicans" on the KJB issue, so why doesn't the same apply to W/H textual criticism effects as well?

    It seems W/H had an agenda and it wasn't to "perfect" textual criticism. but more to allow their views a chance to enter into the stream, which is now more polluted than ever. Call the CDC!
     
    #7 Salamander, Feb 13, 2008
  8. Salamander

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    A little leaven leaveneth the whole bunch.

    At least Price admits their doctrinal views had a little to do with their efforts of textual criticism.
     
    #8 Salamander, Feb 13, 2008
  9. TCGreek

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    As you know, we both stand on different sides of this debate, while professing to praise and worship the same God.

    God bless, my brother in the Lord.
     
    #9 TCGreek, Feb 13, 2008
  10. Askjo

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    Well, do you believe God used these unbelievers like W & H to invent the textual criticism and to produce new modern versions?
     
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  11. rbell

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    wow. I'm impressed that God has given you insight as to whether or not people are saved.
     
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  12. TCGreek

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    Are believers the only people God uses? Remember the pagan ruler whom God refer to as His shepherd (Is 44:28)?
     
    #12 TCGreek, Feb 13, 2008
  13. Ed Edwards

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    No!

    I believe God used the believers like W & H to
    invent the textual criticism and produce INERRANT new modern versions.

    Most unbelievers tend to mock Bibles.
    I know many people who mock my NIV = New International Version.
    I had the NIV in front of me when 180 of the total about 240 people whom
    I've seen accept God in my presence. In my mind that make the NIV three times better than the rest of the English Translations combined.

    That is my own personal opinion, of course; nobody else needs it.
    I'm reading the TNIV in in 2008 (Today's New International Version).
     
    #13 Ed Edwards, Feb 13, 2008
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    Good for you Ed . More folks need to read TNIV .BTW , based on dollar sales it was # 6 last month beating out the HCSB , The Message , ESV and Amplified Bible .
     
    #14 Rippon, Feb 14, 2008
  15. TCGreek

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    One of my members bought one today and brought it to church to show me, since I was talking about it.
     
    #15 TCGreek, Feb 14, 2008
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    Ok, so will you answer any of my questions?
     
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    Nice count, Ed, do you always keep up with those statistics?

    People accept the Lord in true repentence of the godly sorrow kind, or NOT at all!

    Of course if you want to address the op in whether or not W/H's theologies affected their concept of textual criticism technique?

    Price stated they at least had a little to do with it, do you believe they did as well?

    All you seem to do is try and validate those very versions that are affected by their method. But what I am trying to find out is if their method effects the translations according to their beliefs and where that effect is evident?
     
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  18. Salamander

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    I threw one in the trash the other day when I offerd a KJB to replace the one carried by a new convert.
     
    #18 Salamander, Feb 14, 2008
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    Isn't there another thread discussing that already?
     
    #19 Salamander, Feb 14, 2008
  20. TCGreek

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    As I kindly said, "We're both on different sides of this debate."

    But here's the difference, My zeal for a particular version would never lead me to toss another version that is endorsed by godly men and women, in the trash.
     
    #20 TCGreek, Feb 14, 2008
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