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Eight Years Mistakenly on No-Fly List

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by InTheLight, Jun 23, 2016.

  1. InTheLight

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    WASHINGTON — In 2005, Rahinah Ibrahim, a Malaysian architecture professor and doctoral candidate at Stanford University, went to San Francisco International Airport where she was told that she couldn't board an airplane.

    Her name was on a government no-fly list of suspected terrorists.

    Eight years of court battles later, a federal judge agreed that Ibrahim didn't belong on the list.

    The FBI ultimately acknowledged that she ended up on there because an agent investigating her had checked the wrong box on a form, said her attorney, Elizabeth Pipkin.

    Chillingly, the U.S. Justice Department never disclosed why Ibrahim was being investigated in the first place.

    http://www.dailyitem.com/news/local...cle_94e98fc1-3beb-5cae-9539-aec6f9d0b59c.html
     
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    Sounds like the IRS
     
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    I say as long as the Dems want to deny 2nd amendment constitutional rights by banning gun sales to people on a secret government list they might as well go all out and deny 3rd amendment rights and quarter soldiers in their houses as well. Let's see them plan and execute a terrorist act then!
     
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    The problem is there is no due process with this no fly list. So it is highly possible people could be put on the list arbitrarily just to minimize those people who have guns. We should not support the attempt to make this part of gun control.
     
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    Agreed. That means that neither of the two major presidential candidates are on the right side of this issue.
     
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    The other thing about Trump that worries me is his view of eminent domain. He likes it to be abused.






    [Edited imminent to eminent to avoid confusion.]
     
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    The list is not secret. You can check the list online. Why not check to see if you are on the list.
     
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    The "other thing" about Trump that worries you? Don't you mean "and another thing..." ;)

    Yes, his stance on eminent domain is definitely a big government stance, not a small government conservative stance. His (past) support of a single payer health care system and his current support of keeping the health insurance mandate is another one. So is his plan to "loosen the laws on libel" allowing people to sue journalists more freely. And his plan for massive tarriffs on Chinese goods, as well as banning all Muslims from entering the country,

    The guy is BIG GOVERNMENT, and not a conservative. But hey, his name is not Hillary.
     
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    With the exception of your mis-characterization I agree with his positions on these.
     
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    Give us a link. I think we would all like to see this "unsecret" list.
     
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    Do you really not know how to search the Internet? If not, you need to learn so you can make more informed statements.

    OK, I will give it to you.

    http://www.no-fly-list.com/
     
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    Wow. Just wow.

    Link is to the "Terrorist Security Administration" whose logo is a vulture with a flag background. Click on any name on the list and there is no information to be had. You've been pranked. This is your "informed" information?

    Here is a FAQ from the FBI site, regarding the Terrorist Screening Center, the FBI agency that maintains the no-fly list (formally called the Terrorist Screening Database):

    Can I find out if I am in the TSDB?
    The TSC cannot reveal whether a particular person is in the TSDB. The TSDB remains an effective tool in the government’s counterterrorism efforts because its contents are not disclosed. If TSC revealed who was in the TSDB, terrorist organizations would be able to circumvent the purpose of the terrorist watchlist by determining in advance which of their members are likely to be questioned or detained.

    https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/nsb/tsc/
     
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    You ask for a list. I gave you a link to the list. You did not ask for full biographical data. That is completely different. If you do not like the list as it operates blame George Bush. It was under his administration that the list was setup. The no-fly list is different from the Terrorist Watch List.

    From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Fly_List

    The list—along with the Secondary Security Screening Selection, which tags would-be passengers for extra inspection—was created after the September 11 attacks in 2001. The No Fly List, the Selectee List and the Terrorist Watchlist were created by the administration of George W. Bush and retained by the administration of Barack Obama. U.S. Senate Intelligence CommitteeChairwoman Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) said in May 2010: "The no-fly list itself is one of our best lines of defense."[1] However, the list has been criticized on civil liberties and due process grounds, due in part to the potential for ethnic, religious, economic, political, or racial profiling and discrimination. It has also raised concerns about privacy and government secrecy. It has also been criticized as costly, prone to false positives, and easily defeated.

     
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    Your so-called list is a farce. It might as well been written by Mad Magazine.

    And I don't need a history lesson.
     
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