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End Birthright citizenship, long have I agreed with it

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Scott Downey, Nov 22, 2020 at 8:30 AM.

  1. Scott Downey

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    Other countries have done this too.

    BOMBSHELL: President Trump May Sign Executive Order to End Birthright Citizenship Before First Term Ends - Big League Politics

    Jus soli, or birthright citizenship, is an increasingly antiquated citizenship policy long since abolished by many major countries throughout the world, including India, Great Britain, Australia and France. The United States is one of only a handful of major nations that provide free citizenship to anyone who happens to be born in the country, including the children of illegal immigrants and so-called “birth tourists” who wish to obtain free American citizenship for their children with no real connection to the United States.
     
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    Would this also eliminate citizenship to the children born in the United States to non-citizen legal residents of the United States? Or should it?
     
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    Does he have the power to do this?

    Those of you that think this is a good thing, do you know that this means that some children born in this country will have no nationality at all, and do you fully understand what that means?

    Bermuda has some of the strictest citizenship laws in the world
    Bermuda Citizenship or Status

    The results have been devastating to the children born in Bermuda who were born to parents that were born in Bermuda. These children have no citizenship anywhere in the world and have very few legal rights. They do not qualify for scholarships that cripple their educational opportunities. They have no rights "to go back" anywhere. They have no rights period and no way to gain rights.
     
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    Birthright Citizenship Around the World

    Shows in a table countries that don't allow automatic birthright citizenship versus those that do, plus what requirements must be met to obtain citizenship, many don't allow it, most of Europe does not allow for it..
     
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    These are obviously biased links. I am posting. Sigh. Sorry! But they can provide search keyword suggestions and citations if anyone is interested.
    https://cloudfront.bernews.com/wp-c...-Position-Paper-Bermuda-Immigration-FINAL.pdf

    This type of situation might be entirely acceptable to some people. I understand that. Most Baptists do not consider themselves under the OT laws that specify how immigrants are to be treated. But I'm just throwing this out there if anyone want to know what happens when birthright citizenship is revoked in a country. That's all.
     
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    The LOC site I linked just simply states some facts, not whether it is right or wrong. Obviously it is right idea to a fair number of people, and vice versa.
     
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    If Europe is not the model that the USA patterns themselves in other areas, why are we so quick to abandon our immigration laws to adopt theirs?
     
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    POT:S does not have that authority. The constitution specifically gives immigration/citizenship policy to the congress.

    Peace to you
     
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    Abortion and same sex marriage is the right idea to a fair number of these same people, too. As was slavery, which some of these immigrations laws are partially based upon.

    I am just asking people to slow down and do some research and Bible study on this issue.
     
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    Does the Constitution Mandate Universal Birthright Citizenship? Here’s the Answer.
    Trump Is Right – Ending Birthright Citizenship Is Constitutional
    Even though the U.S. government has long abided by a policy of universal birthright citizenship–that is, of treating all persons born in the United States as citizens, regardless of the immigration status of their parents–the reality is that the Constitution doesn’t mandate this policy.
    In fact, while the Citizenship Clause eliminated race-based barriers to birthright citizenship, Congress expressly intended to limit birthright citizenship based on the strength of a person’s relationship to the United States.
    More importantly, the government today needn’t amend the Constitution in order to restrict citizenship for the U.S.-born children of illegal or non-immigrant aliens. It could simply stop abiding by a broad policy never required by the Constitution in the first place.

    Those who claim the 14th Amendment mandates that anyone born in the U.S. is automatically an American citizen are misinterpreting the amendment in a manner inconsistent with the intent of the amendment’s framers.

    Universal birthright citizenship attracts illegal immigration. By granting immediate citizenship to anyone born on U.S. soil, regardless of the legal status of the parents, we reward and encourage illegal and exploitative immigration.

    Most countries around the world do not provides birthright citizenship. We do so based not upon the requirements of federal law or the Constitution, but based upon an erroneous executive interpretation. That should be changed.
     
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    Its difficult to be sure. The problem is its being abused. That needs to be dealt with.
     
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    It is ludicrous to grant automatic natural citizenship to the children of people with no ties or allegiance to America, especially if they are here illegally.
     
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    The constitution gives the authority to determine citizenship to the congress. They can change it, if they wanted to.

    peace to you
     
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    The US is not responsible for flaws in citizenship requirements of other countries. The parents and those countries must bear all responsibility.
     
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    My Leftwing Friends: We want our government to be more like those progressive, western European democracies.

    Me: So we can end birthright citizenship?

    My Leftwing Friends: :mad:
     
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    Countries that are older than medieval times, when the world was a very different place, have centuries of laws that assume there is not a birthright citizenship law as a more foundational law. When a country is entirely or mostly made up of immigrants, (Bermuda had NO native population) and first had birthright citizenship laws in place, that country built secondary and tertiary laws under the assumption of those birthright citizenship laws.

    When you suddenly and with no planning overturn a foundational law, you throw the system into chaos. And to do that in the middle of a pandemic is ... I don't have a word for that.

    Bermuda is a small country. They were able to process hardship cases one at a time. The have never even pretended to have laws that cannot be broken. I know what happened there.

    The chaos that would ensue in the larger USA, with a less flexible and less-funded court and social services system, in the middle of a pandemic boggles my mind. I feel like the robot on Lost in Space. "Does not compute."

     
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    When our liberal politicians work to allow non citizens to enter into this country freely without repercussion and those illegals the abuse our legal systems to obtain benefits from the American tax payer you cannot then blame those who want to fix what they have broken. That does not compute.
     
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    Actually why would Biden want a big jump in immigration during a pandemic??
    That is what he wants to do and it makes no sense.

    Why would Trump want to reduce immigration? It makes sense both now and later on.

    Not only that, but the Latinos also do not want wide open Biden immigration policies.
    If you cut out the enticement which is birthright citizenship, that is a good thing for the US, bad thing for democrat politicians, so aren't they at odds with what is good for America? Yes, because democrats are aligned with the globalist agenda, not the nationalist agenda, they want to be good world citizens...

    Why put up with them and their bad policies, you better believe it that the MSM will attack this hard if Trump does this.

    More Listening, Less Labeling: The 'Hispanic' vote is AGAIN not about MORE Immigration...and BOTH parties still don't get it

    AND THIS, google search brings up nothing negative, only positive stuff about increasing immigration. I had to use BING to find this article. You do realize your being pushed and swayed by search results to think a certain way dont you? Dont trust google to be anything more than a propaganda arm of the democrat party.
     
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    I do realize how biased Google is. I cannot use it to find the information that used to be available and that I can no longer find.

    Birthright citizenship is about more than Latinos and more than immigration and refugees. It affects adopted children and families with only one American parent, and so many other groups. Even before it got this messy, and with a grandfather that worked for the USA government, my sister and I (same parents) were at an airport once, and they were letting me and the parent on the plane, but not her. I will never forget that child's screams of terror. The only reason that my sister was allowed on board is because my father knew people in high up places, and had enough power to force the plane to wait until we were cleared.

    Democrats are more likely to live in cities and be aware of situations that are not as common in the rural and the red states. The entire country is dependent on some of the things that happen in the blue areas; cancer research and treatment for example.

    My grandfather served his country overseas, and my siblings and I have suffered because of that. On his deathbed, my grandfather did what he could for us, after some brand new laws were put in place. The government had to do that after a bunch of men refused to take their families overseas after hearing horror stories from their peers of what was happening to the grandkids.

    If reds want to keep having access to the research and work of the blues, they are going to have to think twice about crippling the blues and the infrastructure that supports them and the people they are intertwined with.

    People seem to have a great tolerance for watching brown and black kids scream in terror, but if Trump does this, you are are going to have a bunch of white kids screaming in terror that have rich and powerful male relatives, red and blue, that will refuse to go to work until it is fixed. You don't want that. Trust me.

    Or don't. I think it is too late anyway.
     
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