End of The Spear, homoexual activist stars.

Then I take it that you don't watch TV at all? Or watch any movies.. How about read a magazines?

You do know that those people in the TV shows, movies and magazines are sinners right? And in Knowing that you wouldn't want to support their cause right.

Did I mention the Radio?


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The principle here applies to this current question.

If the man's homosexuality was not publicized and was incidental to his work as an actor then we have no reason to go on a witch hunt to find every second, third, fourth, etc degree of connection with the world or sin.

But when someone promotes their association with a sin and they or their activity becomes associated with that particular sin then we have a responsibility to separate ourselves from it... not only for our own conscience but for that of others and this man himself.

The worst thing that could happen is that he walk away from the experience thinking that Christian's "accepted" his sin or that others would see us as compromising our moral stand.

 

Actually Emily, going to see the movie does not support Chad Allen financially. He is an actor, paid for his services ahead of time, Unless the producer allowed him to receive points, which is highly unlikely, he stands to gain, or lose, nothing financially based on the box office receipts. Most of you all had better stop watching movies, or television, for that matter, if you do not want to "support" the sin of homosexuality. I can guarantee you that on almost every movie crew/TV crew there will be at least one gay person, if not gay actors. Do not homosexuals have the right to work? Surely you would continue patronizing the grocery store around the corner even if it had a gay cashier.

Maybe a seed was planted in his heart, when he made this film. Only God knows for sure. We should take Natters example and pray for him, as we should everyone, regardless of their sin. Besides wouldn't you rather have the gay community come to see this film, rather than Brokeback Mountain? As someone mentioned previously this film can still be used to glorify God. It is not in how something was made, it is in how we, as Christians, use it to glorify God.

 

I am beginning to question the Every Tribe Entertainment's values.

Besides choosing a homosexual activist who they saw on the cover of a Gay Magazine for the part of Nate Saint in 'End of the Spear',

They also produced a forerunner of the movie, 'Beyond the Gates of Splendor, a PG-13 movie that is full of violence and nudity. Women of the Waorani tribe are seen in the movie topless.

And 13 year olds can watch this?

I wonder if their movie, 'Chandra's Mirror' will have the same?

 

The worst thing that could happen is that he walk away from the experience thinking that Christian's "accepted" his sin or that others would see us as compromising our moral stand.

Trust me, he will not get the impression that Christians accept his sin, as evidenced by the hordes of hate mail I receive everyday. We are bombarded with angry emails from the gay community everyday, based on the title of our film, and no one even really knows what our film is about, aside from the synopsis. If you don't believe me just look at the messageboard, and you will see how many in the gay community view Christians, and those are just the ones I have not had to delete. Allen is fully aware that the story line of the film does not support homosexuality, so support for the film does not equal support for his lifestyle.

 

My point has been made, and all of you refuse to see it.

I go to movies. I like them. There are sinners in them.

This is not the point.

I would not ever go see a movie with a child molestation activist in it either if he had been chosen because of this. (and believe it or not, such sick people exist)

I would not go see a movie with someone who promoted adultery either.

There is a difference between being a sinner (which we all are) and standing up for a sin and saying it is okay. I cant support someone who is doing the second.

When fixing my car, if I knowingly had the choice between a gay activist and a regular old joe (who is also a sinner, but not an activist) then I would choose the regular old joe. Movies are no different.

 

Like I mentioned before, if his personal life were incidental to the movie then you're right. We don't have a mandate to dig. But when he makes it an issue then we have a responsibility to take a stand.

He has made his lifestyle and the promotion of it an issue.

I have worked and do work with homosexuals. Almost universally, they keep their personal business private. They do not use their association with our employer or its products to promote homosexual activism.

All of them have a pretty good idea about my Christian moral values either indirectly... or in many cases directly. They also know that they can expect me to be good to them and easy to work with.

To accept their morality would hurt my testimony. To treat them hatefully would hurt my testimony.

BTW, I have exercised some direct, tough love with a couple of guys who were living unmarried with someone.

 

Standingfirm,

You do realize that National Geographic has topless tribeswomen in their documentaries, right? How is it "sexual", when that is how the women actually look? Also, could not the violence mirror the actual violence the tribe committed? PG-13 is a subjective term, as is violence, and in THIS case nudity. It is more likely that it received a PG-13 rating because of the "themes", than Matrix like violence, or Eyes Wide Shut nudity.

 

I noticed Sodom and Gomorrah has a married man leaving his family for a male lover.

Why would people who claim to be christian put out movies that promote homosexuality? or movies that allow homosexuals to portray a gay Jesus as 'Corpus Christi'?

 

National Geographic is far from being a supposed christian move company.

 

How is that a good thing compared to the biblical principle we are given in 1 Cor 10? Would it not be far better to lovingly take the position that we can't support the activity because of his flaunting of sexual immorality.

That's part of my point. Should we be taking our cues from them or this "God hates fags" nut out in Kansas?

Paul knew that those who proclaimed that their meat had been sacrificed to idols would be sensitive about it. He didn't command that the Corinthians punch them in the nose, condemn them, or even act offensively. He said they should refuse to eat it for conscience and testimony.

 

BTW, I believe scripture provides us with the answers we need. If someone has an alternate passage that establishes a standard or principle other than the one I have cited... please post it.

 

Well, Standingfirm, considering you do not know anything about our film, aside form the synopsis, I'm not sure how you can claim we support homosexuality? As for the "Corpus Christi" Jesus, not my film, so I don't have to answer for it.

BTW, the synopsis is clear that life is not "rosy" for Michael after he leaves his family for his male lover. Did you even read the whole synopsis, or just pick out something you consider damning to my testimony? Are we not supposed to tell the story, regardless of its merits, because there is a gay character?

Sodom and Gomorrah Website

Synopsis:

Provoked by temptation, a tumultuous affair is about to begin, and it will burn as deep as the desires that brought it to life. Michael Gooden is a God- fearing man who has been married for eighteen years. He has a wonderful wife and two teenage children. But one day he is cornered by an ultimatum that will unleash the desires pent up inside of him. Michael begins an affair that has him torn between guilt and desire and right and wrong. Michael’s wife Sarah is blindsided by his affair. Throughout her struggle to deal with the truth she must find a way to maintain her sanity and strengthen her children for the fiery events ahead. She holds on to her faith amidst the turmoil that plagues her family and her church. Michael abandons his church, family, and home for his new life with his lover Jimmy. His one choice sets off a firestorm of events that will consume everyone in its path.

 

I read all that the other day. Nowhere in there does it say that there is a repentence. As to Michael Gooden being God fearing, I doubt it. The synopsis says the desires had been pent up inside him, this tells the true believer that Michael did not truly fear God. The God fearing person would not have those kinds of desires 'pent up' inside him. He would give them over to God.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God [is] faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear [it].

Temptations are not desires that a true christian keeps pent up inside him, but rather puts those thoughts far from him.

 

Getting back to this thread about THIS movie...


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• Every Tribe Entertainment chose a gay actor to play Nate Saint in the movie.</font>
• Every Tribe Entertainment chose a producer of gay films.</font>
• Every Tribe Entertainment chose a gay activist.</font>
• Every Tribe Entertainment chose a star who has appeared in plays that have degraded Christ and Christianity.</font>
• Every Tribe Entertainment chose an actor who has argued publicly (with an evangelical pastor) for the rights to same-sex marriage and gay adoption.</font>

From the link posted on the first page of this thread

 

ScottJ,

The point of my post was to show how we are judged as Christians, just because we are Christians. How does anyone, who did not work on the film or read the script, know what our biblical stance is?

As for scripture. I also use I Corinthians 10.

I applaud your principles and standards, although I do not hold them. The film has a gay actor, who is an activist, in his community. The film itself is not about homosexuals. I said before that, IMO, Christians can still use this film to edify and glorify the Lord. In any event having an openly gay actor could bring in a large gay audience. A seed could be planted, even if it reaches only one. The Lord works in mysterious ways. Who am I to question Him?

 

It doesn't and you're not. I applaud you for standing for the Word of God. But when you eaquates others not holding to the same conviction as you to being in, or taking part in, sin, then that is indeed a crossing of the line of holier-than-thou. Again, if you don't want to see it for the aforementioned reasons, then I applaud you for your convictions, and and support you 100%. However, if you impose your conviction upon others, that's self-righteousness, and that action needs to be called out.

 

Standingfirm,

A synopsis, is just that, a synopsis. It is not intended to give away the whole storyline of the film away, otherwise what would be the point. Once again, you do not know anything about our stand on homosexuality, based on the reading of the synopsis. The character of Michael Gooden is fictitious. It does not really matter if he was truly "God-fearing", or not. Think outside of the box. There is a story to tell here. Why would anyone want to make a movie about a perfect Christian, unless it was about Jesus?

 

Why would anyone want to make a story about a supposed christian turning homosexual?

 

From what I gather from FP and the synopsis... I think that the image presented of a man turning from his family to homosexuality isn't at all positive.

BTW, one reason you might do this is to give us a basis for considering a response or for preventive measures.

We live in a day when all sorts of depravity occurs... even within "fundamentalist" circles. For instance, some people are fans of Jack Hyles... he had a well documented affair with a member's wife and his son was apparently a pervert. Dr Rod Bell was exposed as a closet alcoholic.

There are other more local examples... but the fact is that Satan has set traps that catch even Christians in their personal weakness. Some Christians have a weakness that must be defeated on pride, others sexual lust, others backbiting, ... and others, homosexuality.