Featured Ergun Caner

Remember John Todd. Ergun won't go down that violent and perverse road --but lies will not win the day. He can't cover up what has been revealed. He must have a difficult time getting speaking gigs at churches --"Just what is it that you know about me?"

 

Caner clearly misrepresented himself and gave false information. He is violating Scripture by suing other believers. He lied at multiple Pastors conferences and convention meetings where he pretended to speak Arabic but was only babbling.

I'm not reformed, I'm not a Calvinist, I'm not a Muslim.

I am a Southern Baptist and lament that the good ole boy system is at work again. He has no business leading a SBC institution.

Dr Caner had recently hired his loudest defender, Peter Lumpkins, are a VP at Brewton-Parker. Do we really think this isn't a giant cover up?

Just running around saying there's no fire when the whole house is burning down doesn't help either.

All that said, some Calvinist bloggers have gone too far and are in sin over their prosecution of this man.

 

I like how you didn't talk about the relevancy for Calvie apologists like White to call out Caner. For White's (and others) credibility in a Muslim debate, he has to clear the name of Christianity.

I do think the tirade has gone on way too long. But a lot of that is because Caner still gets support from apologists who should know better (i.e. Geisler).

 

Everyone deserves a second or third chance, Caner is no exception. That being said, I've never actually heard him repent for his blatant lying and misrepresentations of himself. All I've heard is the ole "sorry you were offended" remarks.

Does anyone have an actual link or report where Caner admitted his mistakes, took full responsibility and asked for forgiveness?

 

Just go to James White's website and you'll find more than enough info to satisfy you.

I am not able to access Ergun's website --and I think he removed it. But he made a half-hearted acknowlegement of sorts:"I never intentionally misled anyone...For those times where I misspoke,said it wrong,scrambled words,or was just outright confusing,I apologize and will strive to do better."

The above quote did not quite cut the proverbial butter shall we say?

 

Frankly it all sounds like gossip at this point. If the point has been made that he lied to the people to whom he lied, then why keep reporting on it like it's a news story?

This has become glorified gossip and has seemingly nothing to do with loving correction to move someone toward repentance.

Was anyone on here personally wronged in such that he owes you an apology?

Were any of the bloggers personally wronged in such that he owed them an apology?

This is not the way things are supposed to be dealt with if a Brother has wronged another Brother.

 

what was/has he been accused of not telling thruth about?

was it his minisrey and work among Muslims, or something else?

 

How do you know that his behavior is ongoing? Is it ongoing because people who directly have nothing to do with it keep talking?

Then leave it alone. You can't force anyone into repentance. And that seems to be the purpose of continuing to call him out. It's been addressed with the people he supposedly wronged so why the continued gossip at this point about what he's continuing to do? Let the folks who say he wronged them deal with it.

Did he wrong the public or specific people? It does not serve the public's interest for the church to keep eating it's own like this publicly over something which doesn't involve most of us.

There's a difference between commenting and acting like you're the one whose been wronged.

Let me guess: Matthew 18:15-20?

There's no problem with using that passage. He wronged somebody and because he used his lie for personal gain and status, you're now trying to justify ignoring Scripture.

Too many people have gotten too personally involved in commenting on this as thought they were the ones wronged.

Excommunication if he didn't repent of wronging the other Brother. Yall just seem to be upset that he gained a position of status by supposedly lying. He didn't do anything directly against you, but yall are acting as though he did.

This is a private matter about a private wrong. The rest is gossip. But naturally the church likes to cll gossip Godly.

 

I don't think it entirely private. Books were written, sermons preached, lectures given - all in a public forum.

 

And didn't he give an apology, (whether we think it sincere or not) to anyone who may have felt that he mislead them?

So who kept feeding this after the apology?

 

Not a matter of being sincere, it wasn't an apology

http://sbctoday.com/2010/02/25/statement-from-dr-ergun-caner/

He said he didn't lie, but made a "pulpit mistake", whatever that is.

 

So again, the people it did not involve, why is it being talked about in a way that does not seem to be attempting to edify the Body or push him to repentance but rather just to gossip?

 

What does his behavior have to do with Brothers and Sisters to whom he hasn't done anything? This is no different than if somebody committed adultery and folks started telling people with whom it had nothing to do with.

It's none of our business so why are folks gossipping about it as though it is?

 

It's deceptive to whom? The school that hired him is satisfied. Who else is being deceived? How is it bringing reproach on the church and the Gospel other than by folks who had nothing todo with it keep talking about it?

It hasn't been swept under the rug. The people to whom it matters have accepted what he said nad felt like he has atoned for whatever the wrongdoing was, and that's why they hired him.

The unsuspecting Brothers and Sisters that matter have addressed the issue and hired him. SO why are the folks who have nothing to do with it still gossipping about it?

It would be wrong to talk about what he did as though it was done to you. That's the sort of thing that can be spoken of in generic terms without dragging folks through the mud.

He wouldn't be dragging us personally through the mud so what sense does it make for us to speak to specifics and gossip about him as though we had?

Perhaps if there wasn't so much gossip taking place about what happened, he would have the opportunity to move to repentance if he already hasn't. All the gossip makes it look like he's under attack.

Pick one. If you've brought up his name in reference to what you think he did and hasn't repented and you weren't there when he did it, you're gossipping.