ESV - More clear?

Okay. I had the earlier typed but had to save and enter. I now have the responses I needed (Well, not me...Rippon).

And after hearing the recording at GTY, this is exactly what it is. http://www.gty.org/Radio/Archive

Now you're just making things up as you go.

Wait...first you said it was his study. Now you're backpeddling.

And you clearly aren't paying attention. Of course he's endorsing his SB and its translation just like he did with the NKJV version. If Zondervan put out an NIV Mac SB, he'd glowingly refer to the NIV as he has before on his website (posted earlier).

The planks here are irrefutable: you are purporting that Mac is somehow now an ardent ESV guy. I say he's marketing the chosen translation for the latest manifestation of his SB. The facts point to the latter and not the former. And this is confirmed by folks at GCC, GTY and TMS, and from John's own mouth. How you can continue to argue otherwise is just amazing.

Here's some advice, Rippon: get your facts checked before launching out on your skiff :laugh:

 

No problem.

Baiting the hook a bit :laugh: It was purported as if Mac had endorsed it in such a way as to endorse its usage widespread. There was critical context missing: namely, that John had done so in peddling....er, advertising his new SB.

Well, I don't know that you specifically said that, so for sake of time I'll cede the point. But you just said he said it...then went on to say he taped this promo in his study, thus implying there was creedance that I don't think should be assumed prima facie. Everything must be viewed relative to context. Ever notice how politicians are always fans of teams where they're stumping? I think that's what we have here, and that's been confirmed to me by folks at GCC, GTY, TMS, and TSC Q&As (et.al.).

Of course I get it - that's my point. Context is key. He was not endorsing it in any other vain other than a marketing standpoint relative to his SB. Now, produce video or quotes where he endorses the ESV on its own merits and you have a legitimate plank. So far, none has been produced. Not only that, but associates of his and John himself have said the opposite. So again, I'm puzzled as to why you persist in something that is not true. I will not assign evil motives. I know your love for the TNIV/NIV and MacArthur has spoken out against both. Then again, he has spoken in favor of the NIV, too. Again, depends on the audience/context. No one is doubting he said what he said. No one doubts the Bible says there is no God. But context says this is what the fool says (See Psalm 14.1). We are not permitted to wrestle things from their context the way you would have us believe.

At the end of the day, you can believe MacArthur is now in love with the ESV if you wish. The truth says something else. His own words and those close to him say something else, as well as track record. But believe what you will.

I'm off to a well-deserved vacation. When John orders all at GCC to carry only ESVs this Sunday, I'll eat my words. After all, I won't be able to watch or listen :laugh:

 

Sigh :BangHead:

I didn't. You aren't paying attention. I said it was at the end of his GTY broadcast, and if you would listen to the archives, you'd see is true.

I know. That's my point. He's doing it to shill his SB.

Well, no, as has been confirmed by folks at GTY, GCC, TMS, etc., and his own words. This happened during the promo portion of GTY. He does this at the end of the broadcasts when he usually asks for a contribution and the said contribution will earn some sort of book. He has occasionally sent out his SB for a large enough donation. Anyone who has listened to him knows this.

Again, you don't get it. Of course he said it....in promotional material for his SB. He is not an endorser at the ESV website nor in any promo material I have seen. He is saying the same things re the ESV as he has the NKJV when his material used that translation (apparently you either ignore this or are unaware of it. . But not once has anyone doubted he said what he said (asking for sourcing is different than saying it didn't happen, and you know that). I find it interesting you aren't as obsessed with Lucado, Patterson, et.al., over their statements about the ESV as you are MacArthur's.

This is bearing false witness. You should apologize. This is simply outrageous.

We're going nowhere as you continue to obfuscate the points via conflation. His promos have been cited and confirmed by external sources, esp those closely tied to Dr. MacArthur. Believe what you will. I want off the merry go round. Frankly, I couldn't care less what translation MacArthur uses (Just once, I'd love to hear him announce his text from the Message just to see what GCC folks would do) :laugh: (Tell you what. He starts using the ESV from the pulpit, and I'll buy you a copy of his SB. Deal?)

I'm well aware he has attacked the NIV/TNIV before (yet extolled the NIV as well) so you have a beef with him. I'm sorry this seems to be clouding your judgement here.

This disucssion has taken up two threads. It's taken way too much time. See y'all in a week.

BTW, I apologize for the typo earlier. Having a toddler in your lap never makes typing easy.