Eternal security gone to far?

This is obviously waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too far.

 

Yes way too far., So far that they may not understand the way of salvation and be lost themselves.

 

Actually, it isn't too far. It is thoroughly biblical. I would like to see StefanM and freeatlast try to defend their position exegetically. Needless to say, I will be waiting an awfully long time.

Romans 4 speaks of the kind of faith that will justify a person before God. The answer is there for those who actually read.

 

Doesn't matter if you believe in it or not, or if you even are aware of it or not.

Joh 6:37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.

In Christ,
Trotter

 

You forgot "believe in Historic Pre-Mill".

 

To say that if you do not know the doctrine of eternal security is to not know the gospel is just wrong. I mean, how many lost people upon their profession of faith know of any doctrine save the fact that they were on their way to hell and Jesus died so that they may live and receive the joys of heaven? Not too many, not too many.

 

That does go way too far. God does not expect us to be theologians in order to be saved. If being wrong on several aspects of doctrine kept one from being saved we'd have alot of lost churchmen - AND pastors.

 

And no matter how great an argument we suppose on this board, I bet it would take a literal act of God, ie hurricane, death of entire deacon board, rapture... to convince them to change that statement.

 

If your concept of salvation specifically and proactively excludes eternal security then your salvation is not based on the finished work of Christ. If you are merely ignorant of the fact of eternal security then that is a different story. To say that you must proactively believe in eternal security in order to get saved is beyond reasonable.

 

This is my view on this exactly. Look at eschatology, of all the different views, obviously only one will be proven true. Calvinism, the same; a lot of views, only one will be proven to be true. Do we say that those who have had the wrong beliefs on these points will be assigned to the lake of fire? We are saved by grace through faith in the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ. Having been saved, nothing can separate us from His love; er,uh, whether you believe that or not!

 

How can anything eternal "go too far?"

 

Read the first post; you'll see.

 

With some folks it takes time to have the assurance of God's salvation.

1 John 19-21
And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.
For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.

 

It would seem that some think a person needs to graduate from bible college in order to be saved.

Thank God that He does not require anything except repentance from sin and acceptance of His death and resurrection.

 

"Thank God that He does not require anything except repentance from sin and acceptance of His death and resurrection."

Yes, well said!!

 

What, you mean that wasn't required? I can't believe I wasted four (read 5) years of my life.

Of course, I would argue that it can't be just any Bible College.

 

It was the belief of the reformers that assurance accompanied faith in Christ.

When you see Romans 4 and the example of Abraham's kind of faith, you will see that it does not waiver.

Further, a person who thinks that salvation can be lost is a person who is depending upon THEMSELVES to keep them saved by not sinning too much or whatever ridiculous idea they have.

No, saving faith embraces Christ alone "from faith to faith".

Philosophically and exegetically, every other view falls apart if it isn't just laughable to begin with.