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Evangelical Universalism?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SovereignGrace, Mar 15, 2019 at 8:18 AM.

  1. SovereignGrace

    SovereignGrace Well-Known Member
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    Has anyone heard of this? I first heard about this yesterday when I was talking to a Brother while waiting around as I was getting tires put on my vehicle.

    What he stated was that the lost go to hell and some are purified and go to heaven and those who aren’t burn up and cease to exist. This may not be verbatim, as I am paraphrasing what he said from memory.

    I find this to be a horrible teaching. I told him that the longevity of eternal bliss is the same longevity of those in the lake of fire. This belief stems from a false view of God and His hatred of sin.

    Thoughts and comments much appreciated. Thanks bunches in advance.
     
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    The opportunity for God to choose people to be His people exists while we are physically alive here on earth. Once we physically die, our human spirit/soul either goes to heaven (if they belong to Christ) or to Hades. Those in Hades are aware of their location, and suffer torment for their sins.
     
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    I suppose God can do what ever He likes though it is not likely that one in Hell is their by mistake. They are there because of their sin. It would not be a just God to give a second chance or to release a sinner from punishment.
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    dodgey idea and not biblical.

    Seems a mix of the purgatory idea of suffering then purified so as to enter heaven, and then denial of eternal suffering. Would Hell be so bad if all it is, is non existence? I
     
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    #5 tyndale1946, Mar 15, 2019 at 11:09 AM
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    Sounds like some sort of sick version of Millennial Exclusion
     
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    sounds a bit like Seventh day doctrine.

    OR

    Mormon has three levels for the afterlife. I believe they are terrestrial, telestial and celestial.

    Where you go depends on how involved you were with Mormon/Joseph Smith teachings and practice, celestial realm I believe is the highest where you can evolve into a god.

    There is no Mormon hell BUT some really BAD BAD people are destroyed (annihilated).

    Also there are Primitive Baptists (PB) called "no-hellers".
    They are rare and most PB don't talk about them.

    Contrary to their name they do believe in hell but it is a place where all those who haven't believed in Jesus Christ are taught until they come around though this part of the teaching varies a bit,

    Primitive Baptist Universalists | Mercy Upon All

    This site is good because of the responses of the readers

    Primitive Baptist Universalists
     
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    You know, I hadn’t thought of this. Good point Brother. Kudos.
     
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    How do you understand those in the Judgement who call Jesus Lord but were never saved, Matthew 7:21-23? Thought they where in Purgatory? Or came from Death or the Sea, but not Hades, Revelation 20:13?
     
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    There’s not much mentioned about Hades, other than the rich man in Luke 16. Hades is not the lake of fire.
     
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    Hades/Sheol has or had an upper and lower comparment (Luke 16:23; Luke 16:28-31, ". . . they have Moses . . . - . . . If they hear not Moses . . . ;" Deuteronomy 32:22). Now Revelation 20:13 can be understood to say that there are three places, not just Hades from where souls are resurrected for the Judgment. Which might explain why those who called Jesus Lord did not seem to know they where lost (Matthew 7:21-23).
     
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    1) Depart from Me, I never knew you teaches (or at least how I understand it) that they were not saved when they died, and therefore will be taken to Hades. Had they already suffered torment in Hades, they would have known they did not belong to Christ. The important point is that even though you might profess to serve Jesus, that does not mean you are saved. "On that day" refers to their first meeting in the afterlife with the Lord as they are shown to door to Hades.

    2) I believe Purgatory is a fiction.

    3) I believe "Death" refers to graves on land, and Sea refers to the watery grave of those lost at sea. Their physical bodies are united with their spirit/souls from Hades, to face the second death.
     
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