Featured EVERYTHING HAPPENS FOR A REASON: Misunderstood Comment

Well naturally if you DISAGREE with my OP, then you would be one of those who would say something like that...I am sure one means well when they make comments like the ones below...sad thing is they do NOTHING for the one in pain who needs real applicable answers or for someone to tangibly be there for them. All that these kinds of statements do is make the person QUOTING them feel better, not the one they say them to.

Think about it...this has happened to you at one point in time I'm sure, so how did it really make you FEEL?

"God Is All You Need"

"Everything Happens For A Reason"

"I'll Pray For You"

"Jesus Is With You"


"I heard about a little boy who was frightened one night during a great thunderstorm. He called out to his father from his bedroom and said, "Daddy, I'm scared. Come in here."

His dad, who had settled in for the night and wanted to go to sleep, told the little boy, "Son, it's all right. God is with you in that room right now. You're OK."

There was a moment of silence. Then the little boy shot back, "Dad, right now I need someone with skin on."

 

Jesus was a man and He came down for the purpose of dying...He went willingly, sorry bad example.

 

OT...what I said is true...look up the word EMPATHY if you don't have then I do not expect you to understand or be able to have it...seems all anyone wants to do is ARGUE instead of finding TRUTH in what is being said...

I had a wise person tell me..."try and find something that someone said is true and acknowledge it"

 

I found this article and it is very good and is what I believe

http://theotherjournal.com/2012/02/27/randomness-and-assurance-does-everything-happen-for-a-reason/

"Given that Jesus is the one and only perfect revelation of God (e.g., Heb. 1:3), our understanding of God’s conflict with opposing forces should be based primarily on his ministry. Jesus spent his entire ministry among people who in one way or another were suffering. Yet he never once suggested that their suffering was “for a reason.” Never do we find any suggestion that people’s afflictions somehow fit into a grand divine plan. To the contrary, Jesus and the Gospel authors uniformly diagnosed people’s afflictions as being due to the work of Satan and/or demons (e.g., Mark 9:25 and Luke 11:14 and 13:11–16).[9] And far from suggesting that people’s afflictions had anything to do with God’s will, Jesus manifested the will of God by freeing people from their demonically influenced infirmities...

 

Just because one is saved doesn't mean they automatically LOVE God, the one who loves God seeks, His will and obeys Him. The bible is clear about this. Not many Christians doing that these days. Yes God can do miracles for them and help them and do what He can to DRAW them back to Him.
But like I said, He cannot and will not make a believer LOVE Him.

For the one who LOVES God, and SEEKS Him, is the one God can WORK FOR GOOD in their life. For one reason this is true is because if one isn't walking with God in the areas I have said then how will that person even see the GOOD God is doing?...get it?

Like I said I have kids and if they decide to do their own thing and go their own way... I cannot help them and often times it is a known fact.... let's say someone who is on drugs who needs help often REJECTS the help that is offered them, even though those around them LOVE them and want to help them....Think of the potter and clay analogy.

 

I agree with this...

...But I am still right in the fact that if we exercise our free will and go our own way God cannot do the "GOOD" he has for us...example: A Christian couple loses a child to abduction, rape, then murder....they can be bitter and walk away from God and allow such a tragedy to ruin their lives, even hating the one who did it....they will never UNDERSTAND why this happened, there is NO REASON possible that anyone can explain on WHY this happened...except pure evil.

But if that person turns to God and seeks His will in all of it...it can be USED (God CAUSES All Things To Work Together For GOOD To Those Who LOVE God) to bring others to Christ by their faithfulness and testimony....and they can take ACTION of some mind so it doesn't happen to others, they can even forgive the one who did this and by their love bring the offender to Christ...now which one did God work FOR GOOD?...now do you get it?...as long as we FIGHT God's will which everyone does at times...then He CANNOT work the GOOD in you that He wants...that is just pure bible truth right there!

 

Here reason with me for a minute.

Why did Paul use the words TO THOSE WHO LOVE GOD?

Why didn't he use the words BELIEVER, BRETHREN, (like he did in a few verses before) SAINT, or any other word Paul would usually use to describe a child of God. No he said, To Those Who LOVE God.

What did Jesus say?...He said "IF YOU LOVE ME YOU WOULD OBEY ME" speaking to those who were already His....so obviously not everyone who is saved loves God the way they should.

Let's look at the verses before hand he is talking about those walk in the FLESH and those who walk in the SPIRIT obviously the one who walks in the SPIRIT LOVES GOD.

That is the one God can work out the "GOOD" in their life...not the one walking in the flesh...need to take the verse within it's context to get the true meaning.

Just saying...


Romans 8

King James Version (KJV)

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

Please let me make a clarification, I understand what everyone is saying and I agree that OVERALL God does have a plan for our lives from day one and He does have control over all things and he is sovereign...what I am saying is He is LIMITED in what He can and can't do, according to His whole character....for instance.

GOD CANNOT LIE

HE CANNOT GO AGAINST HIS NATURE

HE CANNOT PUPPETEER MANKIND TO LOVE HIM

God is Holy, Righteous and Just..but He is also Loving, Merciful and Kind. So when God does something it must coincide with the opposite part of His nature. For instance....

It always bothered me, why did the dude who touch the ARK die? That wasn't very nice...but he was being disobedient as he knew better. I also saw how God's HOLINESS superseded mans disobedience.

Kind of like our laws in our country today...we are told to OBEY these laws according to Romans 13...but NEVER at the extent of God's word and God's laws....does that make sense? The gospel alone is a great example of how He was able to take the gap of mans SIN and God's HOLINESS and make it work out so He doesn't contradict Himself. I can give many examples of how God's ways show he is always consistent with His nature...now that being said, this is why I understand Romans 8:28 the way I do as has it not only been revealed to me by God, but my life experience have taught me so as well.

Have I been hurt? More than anyone can know.

From day one....what I have learned from injustice, pain, abandonment, near death experiences etc is (I should write about this) that no matter what I go through, who hurts me, how unfair life is etc. I know that I am GODS CHILD and I am responsible for ME and the choices I make with God's guidance....I got saved at 22 and am now 49...I have been through more than anyone can imagine to mainly no fault of my own...but obviously it all being a PLAN from God for my life, my writing and insight being one of them, I am told. God has called me (and I am sure other Christians) to be TRUE to WHO I am while at the same time..OBEYING those 2 commandments Jesus said..."Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul and mind and others as yourself"...That is what I am called to do not matter what SATAN throws my way...and boy does he....and I think I am been faithful in this area, as you can see it is a pet peeve of mine not to.

God has taught me that I can go my own way if I want (yes, from being hurt by those who said they loved God but didn't show it or live it) I can go back to my old ways and I did a bit, but because like Romans 8:28--- says I was Predestined to be His and He FOREKNEW me (LOVED ME) He wasn't going to let me get too far, before His love drew me back to Him....like the Israelites in the desert, they didn't have to wander and go around in circles, if they had ONLY obey and done what was right and LOVED God they would have made it to the PROMISE LAND (God just now gave this analogy to me and is a good one ...and experience all that was GOOD...the milk and honey and over plentiful goodness. But no they chose to go there own way even though they were God's people and never experienced the GOOD God wanted for them.

See what I am saying....the GOOD that God wants from me and you and the Israelites....is for us to LOVE Him so much that no matter what trials Satan throws out way...God will be there to work it out for GOOD cause our EYES are on him and not our circumstances....that is the GOOD God wants from all His children....HIS GOOD!.....not ours...ours in the sense of more money, status, pleasures and stuff like that...but His GLORIFICATION!


Hope that helps.

 

CORRECTION...Meant to say...EXPENSE not Extent

"Kind of like our laws in our country today...we are told to OBEY these laws according to Romans 13...but NEVER at the EXPENSE of God's word and God's laws....does that make sense?"

 

Thanks for proving my point ...lol

I never said that wasn't true, but God wasn't glorified till the BLIND MAN had FAITH in Jesus, then his sight was healed and THEN God was glorified...if the blind man NEVER put his faith and trust in Jesus then God couldn't be glorified any more than when the Israelites couldn't go into the PROMISE LAND because of their disbelief....they weren't showing their LOVE because of lack of faith....same with the parents of the child I mentioned who was abducted, raped and murdered....they could turn away from God and go their own way, or they can place their faith therefore showing their love and then God can work through them to glorify Himself.

That is the whole point and thank you for giving yet another example of how God works for GOOD to those who LOVE Him...the blind man showed his LOVE by his faith and that is when Jesus did a GOOD WORK...not before!

I hope this helps...