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Ex-pedophiliacs teach children's Sunday School?

Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by Don, May 24, 2003.

  1. Don

    Don Well-Known Member

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    This branches off of another thread here, that got pretty heated and non-productive.

    My question: If a convicted pedophile professes repentence and salvation, do we allow him (generic term; most pedophiles are males) to teach small children in Sunday School? Teens? Children's church? Allow him to take part in church camps? etc.?

    Please provide any scripture you can to support your viewpoint.
     
  2. Istherenotacause

    Istherenotacause New Member

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    I won't knowingly let that happen with my kids, I don't need scripture to back that one up, but I'm sure I could find some somewhere if I look hard enough. It's not just that I would be concerned for my children but also that the pedophile wouldn't be subject to the temptation. I have to look at it this way, I wouldn't hire a man who used to be a druggie, to work in a drugstore warehouse.

    Brother Ricky
     
  3. Jim1999

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    The percentage of re-offences is too high to risk giving responsibility of youngsters to such a person. It might be possible in a two-teacher situation, where there is always supervision.

    We once said in Bible College, that all may be born again, but we shouldn't leave the temptation of a ten dollar bill laying about.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  4. Scarlett O.

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    Oh, Don, that is such a hard question to answer.

    My gut reaction is to say no, and I'm sorry to say that I do not have any scripture to support my opinion.

    I do believe that pedophiles as well as the rest of humanity can experience true repentance and supernatural salvation. In God's eyes, our sins of gossip and spiritual laziness are no different.

    But that just doesn't mean that he (and I'll use the word "he" for the same reasons that you did) is to be allowed to work "carte blanche" with children as their teacher.

    We are saved to the uttermost, but we still sin. And even if he never acted on those impulses ever again, what about his thoughts?

    I say, let him work in the church along with everyone else. He is saved. He is our spiritual peer. But don't put him with the children.

    Don't tempt him on purpose. The devil still tempts the saved. And he knows which buttons to push.

    Don't put him in a place that reminds him and everyone else of his past crimes and vile nature.

    What if a child said, "Mr. Smith hugged me today." If I were the parent of that child, I would certainly in my mind, if not openly, question that hug.

    He would be walking on glass. Parents would be constantly watching him. And any small innocent word from a small child could start a horrible avalanche of misery for the entire church body.

    This man can definitely work for the Lord in the local church.

    I just honestly believe that putting him in a place where he is alone with children and has authority over them is inviting problems into that church.

    This is only my opinion. I have no scriptural support.

    Peace-

    YSIC
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  5. Don

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    It occurs to me that I left something off: This man insists that he knows God has called him to minister to children.

    Does that change anyone's opinion?
     
  6. Mike McK

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    Is it a matter of pedophilia or situational sexual abuse?

    If it's pedophilia, then absolutely not since pedophilia, by it's very nature, is compulsive.
     
  7. Jim1999

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    No! It is called a reality check.


    1. Repeat offences are too high...criminality fact.

    2. We ought not to allow a temptation that may be greater than one can avoid.

    3. It would be unfair to him. The slightest hint of untoward action would bring the ceiling down on him, guilty or innocent.

    God's leading is often our inclination, and how do we separate the two? Does God call, or do we desire? We cannot prove this either way, so let's err on the side of what appears to be the right thing. Sorry, not in my Sunday School. If he wants to teach adults, that might be very profitable. Still, it takes years to establish one's Christian life. We may be forgiven by God, but there is still a human life involved.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  8. Scarlett O.

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    No, it does not change mine. It does put quite a twist on your original question, however.

    I think all of us have seen people in our churches throughout the years who claim, "God told me this," or "God told me that". We might have even been those very people, ourselves.

    They are very sincere and earnest in their insistings.

    And they are very wrong.

    This man should receive some counseling from a rock-solid Christian.

    It appears that he is seeking to make right all that he has made wrong.

    And we as Christians love to tell God our wonderful ideas and expect Him to put His stamp of approval on it.

    Many times we go ahead with the plans with or without His approval and simply claim to other, "God has called me to it."

    We are really slick at convincing ourselves that our voice is God's voice. Especially when it makes us look like the super-Christian.

    Peace-

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  9. Don

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    (for clarification: this is purely hypothetical. Any similarities to individuals, living or dead, is purely coincidental and unintentional....)
     
  10. Istherenotacause

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    No offense Don, but I believe God is smarter than that. I would definitely question his calling, that is, what he says it is. Here James 1:13 applies: "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God
    cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man"
     
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    I think the applicable scriptures would be Romans 13, plus 1 Cor 14:40 "Let all things be done decently and in order."

    Romans 13, because I am reasonably certain that there are at least some states which outlaw assigning convicted pedophiles to work with children. 1 Cor 14:40, because there is no part of allowing a convicted pedophile to work with children which is either decent or in order.

    Then there are the practical considerations. Most "church insurance" companies would drop the congregation's coverage in a heartbeat if such a thing was done. When I was pastoring, the company we dealt with was getting ready to require police background checks of all people who worked with children. Most larger churches are doing that now.
     
  12. Dr. Bob

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    Didn't read "pedophile" in the list, but sure a bunch of others I wouldn't want in MY church. :eek:

    But I'm Bob, not God . . . :rolleyes:
     
  13. Major B

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    In the church, yes--teaching children--no.
     
  14. Ben W

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    No. If he is truly repentant, he will understand why this is the case.
     
  15. I Am Blessed 24

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    That sounds to me like that's exactly what this person is trying to do. You said convicted which means he has paid his debt to society and he has received counseling. I'm sure he was told to make restitution.

    If he is truly saved and his life shows that and he is married and serving the Lord; I would have no problem with he AND his wife teaching children as a couple.

    Some rules to protect the church as well as himself might be:
    1)Never leave him alone with the children.
    2)Absolutely no touching allowed.
    3)Possible monitoring.
    4)Approval of teaching material.

    People commit all kinds of sin. Once they have true repentance, I don't think it's our job to tell them they cannot serve God. The government has obviously deemed him not to be a threat. God has forgiven him; what right do we have to punish him?

    I agree with this also. I doubt that he would feel worthy of even asking for such a teaching position.

    Just something to think about...
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    I agree with Jim1999--it is unfair to the pedophile, but not because of the consequences of untoward action, but for the same reason that parents should be concerned, that it is simply throwing him into a situation fraught with temptation. It would be foolish, dangerous and cruel to put him, or allow him to put himself, into such a situation.
     
  17. Major B

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    Previously written:

    "People commit all kinds of sin. Once they have true repentance, I don't think it's our job to tell them they cannot serve God. The government has obviously deemed him not to be a threat. God has forgiven him; what right do we have to punish him?"

    1. They can serve God all they want, just not within 25 feet of any child.
    2. The government does not release people because they do not deem them to be a threat--they release people when their sentence is over. The reason that I had to submit to an FBI background check to be certified to teach in the public schools, and the reason why NO person with a record of pedophilia can hold a teacher's license in my state is because the government assumes that all "former" pedophiles are a danger to re-offend. Cocaine addicts have a much higher cure rate than pedophiles.
    3. We are not punishing anyone--we are protecting kids.
     
  18. Sherrie

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    I think it would be very wrong to allow them to teach, and it would be very wrong, if you knew about it, to tempt that person.

    It seems you would be setting up both sides for failure.

    God Bless
    Sherrie
     
  19. latterrain77

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    Should ex-pedophiliacs teach children's Sunday School? Absolutely positively and unquestionably NO! Such ones should not even be allowed to come within 100 yards of a child. latterrain77

    [ May 25, 2003, 07:42 AM: Message edited by: latterrain77 ]
     
  20. Ben W

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    Another point to consider, is that if the is chap is a covicted peodophile, then he would probably not be permitted by state or federal law to approach any children, much less teach a Kids Church.
     
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