Extreme measures to stop looting

[Phillip]

I heard a news story on a station owned by the Bott radio network that one sheriff in a small town deputized over 100 people; gave each a rifle and six boxes of ammo.

Their orders are to shoot anybody seen looting.

This is interesting and maybe these extreme measures might deter the looters. I wonder how this will be viewed by the courts when things get closer to normal.

I know Israel uses a shoot first and ask questions later to crime and their crime rate is much lower than ours. Their primary reason for this is not only to lower the crime rate, but also to stop terrorism, especially suicide bombers.

What say you?

 

[JGrubbs]

I think they need to define what is looting, they can't have a "zero tolerance" policy that prevents those who have been five days without food and water from getting something to eat and drink from the local grocery stores. That is not looting, but survival!

 

[Phillip]

Originally posted by JGrubbs:
I think they need to define what is looting, they can't have a "zero tolerance" policy that prevents those who have been five days without food and water from getting something to eat and drink from the local grocery stores. That is not looting, but survival!

I agree with you 100%--the whole idea of giving over 100 individuals that I assume are not trained in police tactics a rifle and bullets with complete freedom to shoot looters at will is scary. At least in Israel, most of the heavy police work is handled by well trained military soldiers who know their limitations of the local law very well. At least that is my humble opinion on this thing.

 

[hillclimber]

I believe a declaration of marshal law must be declared and a statement of , "looters will be shot", issued.

I'd sure hate to see someone shot for food.

 

[emeraldctyangel]

It is "martial" law.

Under emergency conditions, martial law is introduced to help restore order. At times, what is enforced can reduce some of the personal rights ordinarily granted to civilians. Once martial law is established, those 100 citizens will no longer be in authority of any kind. There are no local limitations. The suspension of the writ of habeas corpus can occur. In my experience of martial law (once in Seattle) they did not suspend the writ.

Soldiers are not ignorant, most of us are human beings and would not shoot anyone just trying to get some food or medical care. We have others means to contain the situation.

 

[Ben W]

Considering that the looters have looted firearms stores, and are in groups together, they will probably shoot back

 

[hillclimber]

Originally posted by Ben W:
Considering that the looters have looted firearms stores, and are in groups together, they will probably shoot back

At that point those particular looters are quickly eliminated. They wouldn't have to do that more than once of twice for the looting to stop.

 

[hillclimber]

Originally posted by emeraldctyangel:
It is "martial" law.

Under emergency conditions, martial law is introduced to help restore order. At times, what is enforced can reduce some of the personal rights ordinarily granted to civilians. Once martial law is established, those 100 citizens will no longer be in authority of any kind. There are no local limitations. The suspension of the writ of habeas corpus can occur. In my experience of martial law (once in Seattle) they did not suspend the writ.

Soldiers are not ignorant, most of us are human beings and would not shoot anyone just trying to get some food or medical care. We have others means to contain the situation.

Of course it is. I was so tired last night. Thank you.

 

[Daisy]

Originally posted by emeraldctyangel:
Soldiers are not ignorant, most of us ...

Emeraldctyangel - just curious, are you in the National Guard as well as in law enforcement?

This is a situation for the National Guard and not vigilantes. Looting is less of a concern, I would think, than the ones shooting at the relief workers and the people dying of disease, lack of medicine and exposure.

 

[emeraldctyangel]

Daisy ~ I am in the United States Navy, my speciality (called a rate) is Law Enforcement. I can go from teaching bicycle safety to kids to handing out speeding tickets to patrolling to maintaining checkpoints to working in a maximum security detainee center.

I happened to have lived in downtown Seattle during the WTO riots and although I was not involved in the enforcement efforts there due to the posse comitatus act, the tear gas and concussion grenades affected everyone there.

No problem Hill. We are all tired. Get some rest and God Bless you.

 

[Daisy]

Originally posted by emeraldctyangel:
Daisy ~ I am in the United States Navy, my speciality (called a rate) is Law Enforcement. I can go from teaching bicycle safety to kids to handing out speeding tickets to patrolling to maintaining checkpoints to working in a maximum security detainee center.

Thanks for clearing that up. I never would have figured that one out.

 

[El_Guero]

emeraldctyangel

Keep up the good work. There are lots of us Vet's proud of our boys. And we do wish you were all home.

 

[El_Guero]

PS - we are proud of the

Gals

As well.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Please keep in mind, many of the Guardsmen are MPs. California sent a MP Company to Operation Katrina.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

And I dare say we are talking about a "small town". I think the town is taking care of its own. The 100 man posse is for the outsiders coming into town. Remember the City of New Orleans is on the move. As the citizens are "deputized" that makes them a posse not vigilantes.

 

[fromtheright]

ECA,

I am in the United States Navy, my speciality (called a rate) is Law Enforcement.

Hi shipmate. Am a Navy Reservist, drilling in Norfolk, did my active duty time (longer ago than I want to admit) aboard USS Ponce, an LPD in Norfolk (presently in the Med, I think, she is in the same ARG that Kearsarge and Ashland--one of my old shipmates was her CO a few years ago--which had the rockets fired at them a few weeks ago, are in). I was able to do my probably last AT aboard another Gator the first two weeks of August, the Bataan, an LHD, off the coast of Panama.

 

[BillyShope]

Over 60% of the respondents to a WorldNetDaily.com poll chose "shoot to kill" as the proper response. I was a part of that majority.

I can remember the Governor of Iowa saying, over the radio, that National Guard troops had been sent to a town hit by a tornado and that they had orders to shoot looters on sight. That was in '48 or '49.


Then, in '52, when the first wave of panty raids hit the State U. of Iowa campus, University President Hancher announced that, if such was to occur again, University photographers would be present and anyone recognizable would be immediately expelled. Unlike many other schools, Iowa had no more such outbreaks of rowdyism. (Unfortunately, Hancher retired before the anti-war demonstrations.)

There are times when an extreme response is needed. Jael could have merely tied up Sisera, but she chose a tent peg through the temples and Deborah hailed her as one blessed above women.

 

[emeraldctyangel]

Fromtheright...glad to know ya shipmate.

Billy - are you serious? Pantyraids? Wha...?

El_Guero - right on. Appreciate your support, loved Texas btw, and your attitude is one of the reasons why. It is an honor and a privilage to serve my country.

Squire - deputized anything means -0- during martial law, posse, vigliante, or sewing bee. The MP company is NG, paid for by state funds (which will likely be reimbursed from federal emergency funds). Odd how that side steps the law huh?