Featured Face Off Between The KJV And NIV

First of all, the ESV probably shouldn't be placed as a mediating translation, should it? The NET, CSB and NIV are amazingly alike and all are in the middle of the traffic between out and out functionally equivalent versions such as the CEV and NCV on one side and the NASBU and LEB on the other side.

 

"The King James translators, for all their skill, failed to preserve countless features --both formal and semantic --that were present in the original Hebrew and Greek texts. By the same token, their mere use of seventeenth-century English ensured that, at virtually every turn, they would add features absent from the original. Yet this simple reality does not for a moment take anything away from their magnificent achievement. They responsibly interpreted the text, then transposed it to a different historical setting and thereby transmuted it into a form it did not have before. But that hardly means they betrayed the text. On the contrary, such a transformation made it possible for millions to hear and understand its message." (Are Translators Traitors? Some Personal Reflections by Moises Silva)

 

I can't follow you. Rephrase.

 

Does he know how much false info you have been spreading about the NIV on the BB and and other forums?

Since you are strongly against it (for all the wrong reasons) why in the world would you choose to be in a church where that is the primary text? It doesn't make any sense.

I see the value of functional equivalence. I know it occurs much more often than you realize in translations like the NASBU.

But the NIV, NET, CSB and some others are mediating versions as I have said many times before --and you said so yourself on a number of occasions.

 

You have made that charge hundreds of times yet never demonstrated anything.

Fine and dandy. Who said otherwise?

But how can you remain in that church with your pastor preaching and teaching from the NIV?

You have made absurd charges such as :

It's driven by a feminist agenda

It seeks to overturn the biblical order in the home

It teaches that women can become pastors

I could go on and on with your nonsense charges.

If you think that way, why remain in that congregation when your pastor is preaching and teaching things that go against what you believe? I don't understand your disconnect.

Have you ever approached your pastor and asked him to use another version? Did you list your concerns that you have posted up and down on the internet for years?

 

Psalm 44:2

KJV : "How thou didst drive out the heathen with thy hand, and plantedst them; how thou didst afflict the peoples, and cast them out."

NIV :"With your hand you drove out the nations and planted our ancestors;
you crushed the peoples and made our ancestors flourish."

There is a huge difference between the two readings.

"Plantedst them" is puzzling since the heahten were just referenced.

There is no mention in the KJV of the ancestors flourishing or spreading them out in a good way.

 

1 John 3:1 snippet

KJV “ ...that we should be called the children of God...."
NIV : "...that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are!"

Did the KJV revisers delete part of Holy Writ? No, they just did not have access to much more ancient
and accurate MSS.

Charles H. Spurgeon quoted from the 1881 RV for this verse. It's quite likely that no one in his congregation had
the fuller text. But of course it was more accurate, it preached well, and gave the people more confidence in the Lord.

 

The "several hundred" MM were of late vintage.

Determining the accuracy of manuscripts is not a matter of counting noses as even M.R. does not consider that to be a compelling factor.

Based on what?

He still used it and valued it. He knew of its weaknesses as well as its strengths. He said it was strong in Greek and weak in English. But he welcomed the improved accuracy of the Alexandrian textual base vs. the TR.

 

Genesis 36:24

KJV : this was that Anah that found mules in the wilderness
NIV : This is the Anah who discovered the hot springs in the desert

Now you have to admit that the KJV rendering is really funny.

1 Samuel 2:25

KJV : the judge shall judge him
NIV : God may mediate for the offender

The difference is not slight. A mere judge --or God Himself. The KJV could have said Judge. But
as it is --a really poor reading.

 

That's funny. I think the MSS that were made 150 to 400 years after the original are more reliable.

Common sense dictates otherwise.

I see no evidence for the above.

He didn't like its poor English yet he accepted most of its textual decisions.

 

Long before the RV was released C.H. S. expressed a view that he had for the rest of his life:

"I ask, from very love of this best of translations, that its obsolete words, its manifest mistranslations, and glaring indecencies should be removed." (In his preface to the 1859 book by Conant The English Bible)

 

Acts 2:47

KJV : such as should be saved
NIV : those who were being saved

1 Cor. 1:18
KJV : them that perish foolishness...us which are saved
NIV : those who are perishing...us who are being saved

2 Cor. 2:15
KJV : them that are saved...them that perish
NIV : those who are being saved and those who are perishing

2 Cor. 4:3
KJV : them that are lost
NIV : those who are perishing

Ephesians. 4:22
KJV : which is corrupt
NIV : which is being corrupted

How anyone can claim that the KJV renderings here are more accurate than the readings in the NIV is in dire need of counsel.