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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by AustinC, May 9, 2021.

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  1. AustinC

    AustinC Well-Known Member

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    Faith does the works God ordained for us to do. Ephesians 2:10 and James 2:18.
    Faith is an effect of God's gracious salvation.
     
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    Completely in agreement concerning God's working in the elect. But there is also faith that falls away after a while - hence obviously not of God. Hence that proving even the non-elect can believe for a while (subsequent to God changing hearts etc. but without it being worked out by God in them). Why do you find it difficult to concede this concerning the non-elect when it doesn't take away anything from what you believe about the elect? Why do you see this as an all-or-nothing or an exclusive salvation? God does desire for even those who reject Him to be saved until He turns in His wrath right?
     
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    No you didnt do just that. I dont even see how its related to faith at all, not the Faith which is the Gift of God.
     
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    Its not a work of man if it [Faith] is acknowledged as a Gift given by God, His Work in man causing him to believe in Christ.
     
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    But thats not Gods Gift of Faith given in regeneration which is the fruit of the Spirit.
     
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