Family Christian stores open on Sunday

I was in a conservative fundamentalist Christian church one sunday and we were discussing the Holy Day made in Genesis 2:1-3 after having studied the first six literal days fo creation week.

When it got to the subject of the 7th day - made "for mankind and not mankind for the Sabbath" and "made a holy day" in Gen 2:1-3 there was a lot of debate.

Some insisted that any attempt to honor that day as God instructed was a sin. Some insisted that any attempt to select Sunday and honor it just as God instructed mankind on the subject of the creation-memorial of the literal creation week - was also a sin and a blatant rejection of God's plan for His people.

Others say that you "could if you wanted to" but that God had no say in it.

Others said that they were blessed by honoring Sunday as though it were the seventh-day memorial God established in Genesis 2 - keeping it instead - but keeping it in the same way as if it were the day God was addressing in Genesis 2.

In any case, I did not say anything one way or the other.

In Christ,

Bob

 

The first Christians met together daily, The Sabbath is on Saturday, people can make decrees and change it, yet historically it is Saturday. If they want to open on Sunday go right ahead, there is no instruction in the Bible that shops are to be closed on Sunday, or that the church is required to meet on that day.

 

Does a pastor/youth minister/organist/choir director work on Sunday?

 

I believe that it never mattered what day of the
week GOD called the Sabbath. What I think GOD
wants is a day that we devote to HIM. Saturdays
are fine, Sundays are fine, Mondays are fine, etc...

There isn't really any way we can be sure that the Saturday we worship on today wasn't actually what would have been Tuesday 7000 years ago...

The reason to try to hold to one day in particular
is obvious----two days for GOD back to back with
twelve days of famine between.

I personally worship on Sunday, because it is
traditional with the church I attend. I go on a
regular basis. When I miss a Sunday, I really
miss it.

Now about Christian stores open on Sunday or
Saturday. My personal feeling is that having
businesses open 7 days a week has made no one
happy. The businesses have to pay people to
work every day. People who shop are spread across 7 days instead of 6. It is sad that nothing seems to get a rest... I feel that Christian bookshop should set an example and be closed on weekends. If they worship on Sunday,
close on Sunday. If they worship on Satuday,
close on Saturday. If they worship both days,
remain closed both days. GOD will reward those that do with real rest.

If the store cannot remain closed one day a week, perhaps the owners are secular and not Christian at all. It would be better that they just open a regular bookstore and sold everything, and hire
extra people to work extra hours and spread 6
days of customers over 7...

 

I think it's important that people -- and especially families -- have a day that represents a time for reflection and a rest from the grind of earning a living. I don't think it really matters what day it is.

-Neil

 

So if Adam had said "nahhh- let keep day after tomorrow instead" -- that would have been fine with God?

If some Hebrews at Sinai had said "nahh- we each want our OWN day" what do you suppose would have happened?

If the saints in the Isaiah 66 scenario where God says of the New Heavens and New Earth "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to Worship" -- will they really be inclined to say "nahh not today for me - for me it's day after tomorrow!".

I don't think you would accept any of these as possible scenarios for you have proposed above.

Adam could not have "failed to notice" his first full day of life in Gen 2:1-3 so "he got it".

The Hebrews at Sinai were told "tomorrow IS the Sabbath". They could not fail to miss it.


Christ (born under the law)kept the Sabbath pre-cross according to Luke. If He as God decided that that day was in harmony with His own day "Lord of the Sabbath.. MADE for mankind" the
week day order used then is Still known by our calendar system today.

Paul kept it as well after the cross.
Likely these two were keeping the same day.


However - as some have noted - they see no reason to keep it.

In Christ,

Bob

 

BobRyan:

Look fella, I do understand your feelings; however, the fact remains that the calender has been changed more than once and leap years add
extra days, etc...... We ain't even Jews.

Christ, knew what the future held and that is why he arrived when he did (GOD's perfect timing). He came to fulfill the LAW on our behalf and you want to dabble in the LAW when it suits your pride (Oh, look at me----I worship on the "CORRECT" day and they don't, I'm such a good fella).

GOD is looking at the hearts of men through Christ and is not interested in the scent of fatted calfs burning.

 

Abiyah:

I accept what the Word says. I also understand what CHRIST has accomplished for me in my life and the lives of others. I eat pork and I worship GOD everyday, but attend church on Sunday.

I go to Sunday School and 11:00 worship service, and then I go to my inlaws house and sometimes have pork for dinner. We use only one set of dishes; by the way, and I like to drink milk with my meal.
My inlaws have told me of there mold problem in the basement, this past summer; however, there was no mention of tearing the house down. I don't wear side-locks nor do I wear a hat in church-----neither does my wife (I might add she likes to wear slacks in the winter to church).

If anyone wants to hold to traditions and the LAW to see if they are OK by GOD, that is fine. I'd rather abide by the early church and move on with the freedom GOD has extended to me through Christ.

The Sabbath day for me is Sunday. I'd hate to be a healthcare worker, a fireman, a policeman,
or a bus driver, etc... under the LAW.

The LAW ONLY convicts, CHRIST exonerates 100%.

 

Abiyah:

I'm sorry if I've offened you in any way. I do respect Messianic Jews and I can understand a desire to hold onto traditions; however, I would bet it is fear and not pride that causes you to worry about the day you worship and perhaps miss the heart with which you should accomplish it.

Your in Christ

 

The fact is our history is very - very accurate on the Roman calendar changes since the first century ... and guess what! None of them changed the "weekly cycle".

Just as we don't change our weekly cycle each leapyear -- EVEN so neither of the two Euoropean systems of calendar change - affected the days of the week.

Period. This is not a denominational issue - it is a fact of history.

True enough - to "fulfill" but "not to abolish".

As Romans 2 states "The Doers of the law WILL BE justified".

As Christ said "NOT the hearers - but those that OBEY -- receive eternal life" Matt 7.

As Paul states in Romans 6 "you are slaves to that which controls you" -- we are freed from slavery to sin..

As Paul states in 1Cor 10 "No temptation has overtaken you but such as is common to man - AND God IS faithful...to provide a way of escape" With each temptation -

In the NT "obedience" to God is "always a good thing" and the only alternative is "rebellion".

Do you honor your parents "because it suits your pride"?? get real!

Do you obey the Mosaic law that we Love God with all of our heart "because it suits your pride"?

Try to be believable!

Ooops - I think you "selected another one of the Mosaic laws" instead. Let me see ... yes here it is

Yes - THAT is the one you selected as "optional".

No need to worry about being "tempted" on that one - you're engaged in gospel-sanctioned-rebellion-against-it so no need to ask God to be "faithful" as 1Cor 10 states and provide "The Way of escape" from the temptation. You have "sanctified that sin and made it holy".

Or maybe we should discuss how you select which part of God's word to rebell against and which part to honor and obey.

Just let me know.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Why do the vegitarians always condemn the meat eaters?

 

Where do you read that?

In Romans 14 the meat eaters were condemning the Vegitarians. Actually it was the Acts 15 problem of those who were following the instruction NOT to eat meat offerred to idols - vs those following Paul who said that meat offerred to idols was quite ok to eat.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Abiyah & BobRyan:

The reason that we worship GOD on Sunday is to memorialize the resurrection of Christ Jesus the
happened on the first day of the week.

John 20:1 The first day og the week cometh Mary Madalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

The living Christ later in the evening of that day reveals Himself to His disciples.

John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, "Peace be with you."

Eight days later, again on Sunday, Christ reveals Himself to Thomas.

John 20:26 And after eight days again His disciples were within, and Thomas with them: came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, "Peace be unto you."

In Revelation 1:10 the assended Christ reveals Himself to John on the first day of the week which John calls the Lord's day.

Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a graet voice, as of a trumpet.

We find the the disciples are breaking bread together and Paul is preaching, and a young man
dies because he falls from a window during the service which is taking place on SUNDAY. However, Paul is used of GOD to heal the man.
Acts 20:7-12

And in I Corinthians 1:2 Paul says that offerings are to be collected on Sunday.

"On the first day of the week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made.

Romans 14:5-6 clearly says:

One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man cosiders every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord...

In Galations we (Christians) are reminded that we were slaves but are now joint heirs with Christ.

Galations 4:7-11 So you are no longer a slave, but a son; and since you are a son, GOD has made you also an heir. Formerly, when you did not know GOD, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods. But now that you know GOD--rather are known by GOD---how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! I fear I have wasted my efforts on you.

The Jews were trying to get the Christians to follow Jewish practices. As you can see, this isn't what it is all about....

 

I agree. A number of Christians are not "keeping Sunday at all". They are simply attending a worship service during that day in memory of the resurrection of Christ.

And that addresses Abiyah's opening comments (at least for that one group of Christians).

correction. If Sunday is the first -- then 8 days later is the 9th. On all my Calendars - that would put the 9th on a Monday.

Rev 1 does not mention the first day of the week - nor does it indicate that the Lord's day is Sunday.

As we see here

Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a graet voice, as of a trumpet.

Actually the meeting starts on Sunday - but then goes into Midnight. That means that it either is going into Monday (making Monday a Holy Day??) or it is Sunday evening and the plan for celebrating the resurrection is an all day trip. Instead of staying with the congregation in rest and worship over the first day of the week. Either way - it is a problem.

Actually it says that EACH person is to lay aside some money by himself (Each ONE) at the first of each week.

Now the facinating thing is they seldom call Sabbath "the day after the 6th day" or even "the seventh day" rather it goes by its title of honor usually "The Sabbat".

Suppose the NT church was introducing a new title for the First day - day "one", and suppose that title was "The Lord's Day".. wouldn't this be the perfect place to use it? ESPECIALLY if you are commanding church services and offerings on that day? The fact that the text goes back to the old "day one" nomenclature instead of a title of honor AND the fact that EACH ONE is saving up by himself on the first of each week -- shows a distinct lack of "promotion" for this supposed new holy day.

Actually it says "one man OBSERVES one day above another while another man OBSERVES every one of the days" that are to be OBSERVED according to the OT LAW.

Paul concludes in Romans 14 that NO CONDEMNATION is allowed for EITHER practice. BOTH are equally honoring to God according to Romans 14 - (speaking of "OBSERVING" the OT Feast days of observance).

Indeed the practice that is described in Galations is being CONDEMNED instead of DEFENDED as God-honoring. The practice in Galations is a return to paganism.

"Some" have proposed that the "paganism" being returned to was "God's ordained form of paganism as defined in the OT" - But Paul is not making such a case in Galations 4. It is an abuse of the text to try to bend Galations 4 back on Romans 14 so that they both describe the same practice.

Notice that in Galations 4 Paul is not condemning their "PROMOTION" of the days - but their "observance" of them. In other words - he declares that simply to observe them is pagan.

In Romans 14 Paul declares that BOTH the case of selecting ONE of the observance days and OBSERVING IT above another - is JUST as God Honoring as OBSERVING all of them. None are to be condemned. Ceratainly a true statement when considering the observance of the OT feast days.

In Christ,

Bob