Featured Faulty theology pt 2

This may be the clearest you have been with that first statement. However, it seems that you are differentiating between a human body, human spirit and a human soul as compared to...what...a non-human body, non-human spirit and non-human soul?

Is there an "unnatural" spirit that I am supposed to be aware of?

I believe that a human is born with a spirit that has no capacity to choose God. I believe that when Paul said we were dead in our trespasses and sins, he means we have no capacity to will ourselves to have faith and be justified. God must activate our spirit (be made alive with Christ) and give us the gift of faith so that we can believe.

The lost, therefore, have a spirit that is incapacitated to act and move toward God in repentance. The unsaved cannot make their spirits to be alive with Christ.

 

I'm looking for the verse where God says "Adam was created natural, not spiritual." I can't find it.

Thus, I think you are arguing from silence.

Sometimes men make assertions as facts when they aren't. Sometimes men think they are making an intelligent argument when they are not.

Personally, I believe what God teaches in scripture, the actual word of God. I do not need to add mythological teachings that Adam had no spirit because it makes no sense that a spiritless person could be made alive with Christ.

 

@Squire Robertsson, may I inquire if JonC is going over the line?

JonC, you do realize that in the parable of the sower, the soil is the human, not the seed. The seed is the word of God.

Second, you have just made the argument that Adam had a spirit that died and God had to make Adam alive with Christ.

 

There are some massive theological flaws in the above statement.

The first Adam was created and made in the image of God, which means he was created with a spirit.

The last Adam is God coming in humanity.

Both have a spirit. The first Adam's spirit was corrupted by sin. The second Adam's spirit is holy, as God is holy.

You're proposition is false.

Moreso, your theology is not Baptist theology. Your position should be shared in the other denominations forum.

 

Is quoting Scripture ever going over the line?

 

Yes, when it is being used to make a disparaging comment to another person and not as a useful argument for the topic at hand.

 

Passage and version please. Then provide context with it.

I contend that your exegesis is weak at best.

 

1 Corinthians 15:12-28 Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If in Christ we have hope in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied. But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For “God has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.

 

1 Corinthians 15:35-58 But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?” You foolish person! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. And what you sow is not the body that is to be, but a bare kernel, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain. But God gives it a body as he has chosen, and to each kind of seed its own body. For not all flesh is the same, but there is one kind for humans, another for animals, another for birds, and another for fish. There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is of one kind, and the glory of the earthly is of another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory. So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable. It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual. The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven. As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven. I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality. When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.” “O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?” The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my beloved brothers, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that in the Lord your labor is not in vain.

 

It is when someone uses Scripture to deliver an insult, and then has to jump over nine verses to get to the section that he wants to misuse.

 

1 Corinthians 15:36, KJV. 'Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die.'
[Nine verses follow]
1 Corinthians 15:45, KJV. 'And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.'